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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 262340" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>My son started with ritalin (short acting but same medication as concerta) when he was 7. It was a Sat and he had a soccer game. The coach was a good friend of mine. Wiz was AWESOME at the game. He held his position, followed directions, was much better with the other kids, etc. After the game his coach came over and was just totally WOWed with the change. It was hugely dramatic.</p><p></p><p>If there is not a WOW change, it isn't the right medication for him. No other way to put it. Concerta (and all the stimulants) are fast in, fast out. They don't need weeks to become effective. You should see the change the very first dose. ANY person or psychiatrist (psychiatrist) who tells you differently is very ignorant about the medication. If a psychiatrist tells you to give it a few weeks, RUN and find another psychiatrist. You do not want psychiatric medicine prescribed by a doctor who does not understand them. </p><p></p><p>Most of the psychiatic medicines require time to see if they work. To my knowledge, stimulants are the ONLY psychiatric medications that are immediately effective. At least the only ones that would be given outside a hospital setting. Stimulants are often used by docs to find out if a child is ADHD. They work with the brain of a child iwth ADHD to sort of synch up the body and the brain. No one is totally sure how, to my knowledge. </p><p></p><p>While stims ARE speed, and ARE abused by many people, you will NOT make your child into a drug addict by giving him speed. There are reputable studies that show that a child has much LESS chance of becoming a drug addict if ADHD is properly treated with stimulants, even if stims are given at a very early age.</p><p></p><p>This is because stims work very differently in the brain of a person with ADHD than they do in a neurotypical person. In a NT person the stims act to speed them up, give them energy, the typical things you think about when you think about a person on speed. An ADHD person doesn't get the high. They actually become, more able to focus and interact with their world appropriately. People with ADHD who are NOT treated often go looking for substances to make them more "normal" and that is when they become addicted to things. It is called self-medicating and is not healthy. It is far, far more healthy to deal with ADHD properly with prescription medication.</p><p></p><p>That being said, it really looks like stims are not going to help with your son's problems. I would not continue treatment with them, and would not continue with a doctor who wanted treatment continued. I also would NOT go into more medications until I had a clue what was going on. MANY disorders can look like ADHD on those questionaires you completed. Often people can look like they have ADHD when really they have some other problem.</p><p></p><p>I totally agree you need to focus on evaluations. Find a neuropsychologist and get your son in for complete evaluation. It should involve many hours of testing broken up into several sessions. Then the neuropsychologist will take some time and evaluate everything. After that you get a report and recommendations that will really help.</p><p></p><p>Now on to your instincts. If a doctor of any kind makes you uncomfortable, says weird things, etc... it is immediately time to find a new doctor. Do not stay with them jsut because they are a doctor or you got in quickly. It may take a few months to get in with a new psychiatrist, but it will be worth the wait.ALWAYS FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS AND TRUST THEM. I can't stress that enough. You have those instincts for a reason, don't ignore them. The only really BIG mistakes I made with Wiz were times I ignored my instincts. </p><p></p><p>I hope this is helpful and that you find a neuropsychologist who will help and a psychiatrist you can work wtih better.</p><p></p><p>Many Hugs!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 262340, member: 1233"] My son started with ritalin (short acting but same medication as concerta) when he was 7. It was a Sat and he had a soccer game. The coach was a good friend of mine. Wiz was AWESOME at the game. He held his position, followed directions, was much better with the other kids, etc. After the game his coach came over and was just totally WOWed with the change. It was hugely dramatic. If there is not a WOW change, it isn't the right medication for him. No other way to put it. Concerta (and all the stimulants) are fast in, fast out. They don't need weeks to become effective. You should see the change the very first dose. ANY person or psychiatrist (psychiatrist) who tells you differently is very ignorant about the medication. If a psychiatrist tells you to give it a few weeks, RUN and find another psychiatrist. You do not want psychiatric medicine prescribed by a doctor who does not understand them. Most of the psychiatic medicines require time to see if they work. To my knowledge, stimulants are the ONLY psychiatric medications that are immediately effective. At least the only ones that would be given outside a hospital setting. Stimulants are often used by docs to find out if a child is ADHD. They work with the brain of a child iwth ADHD to sort of synch up the body and the brain. No one is totally sure how, to my knowledge. While stims ARE speed, and ARE abused by many people, you will NOT make your child into a drug addict by giving him speed. There are reputable studies that show that a child has much LESS chance of becoming a drug addict if ADHD is properly treated with stimulants, even if stims are given at a very early age. This is because stims work very differently in the brain of a person with ADHD than they do in a neurotypical person. In a NT person the stims act to speed them up, give them energy, the typical things you think about when you think about a person on speed. An ADHD person doesn't get the high. They actually become, more able to focus and interact with their world appropriately. People with ADHD who are NOT treated often go looking for substances to make them more "normal" and that is when they become addicted to things. It is called self-medicating and is not healthy. It is far, far more healthy to deal with ADHD properly with prescription medication. That being said, it really looks like stims are not going to help with your son's problems. I would not continue treatment with them, and would not continue with a doctor who wanted treatment continued. I also would NOT go into more medications until I had a clue what was going on. MANY disorders can look like ADHD on those questionaires you completed. Often people can look like they have ADHD when really they have some other problem. I totally agree you need to focus on evaluations. Find a neuropsychologist and get your son in for complete evaluation. It should involve many hours of testing broken up into several sessions. Then the neuropsychologist will take some time and evaluate everything. After that you get a report and recommendations that will really help. Now on to your instincts. If a doctor of any kind makes you uncomfortable, says weird things, etc... it is immediately time to find a new doctor. Do not stay with them jsut because they are a doctor or you got in quickly. It may take a few months to get in with a new psychiatrist, but it will be worth the wait.ALWAYS FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS AND TRUST THEM. I can't stress that enough. You have those instincts for a reason, don't ignore them. The only really BIG mistakes I made with Wiz were times I ignored my instincts. I hope this is helpful and that you find a neuropsychologist who will help and a psychiatrist you can work wtih better. Many Hugs! [/QUOTE]
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