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<blockquote data-quote="worriedteacher" data-source="post: 417434" data-attributes="member: 11545"><p>OK, I'm almost embarrased to post this questions, but which is better, a 504 or an IEP?</p><p>I have two kids (not my own, but that go to the school I work at) who have had behavior issues since Kindergarten and are now in fourth grade. Both of them (no not brothers, just happen to be in the same grade) have had behavior that has increased year after year and are now to the point of being in the court system. Neither child receives services from me, so I guess it's none of my business, but I really need to be able to recommend an appropriate (yes I hate that word too) course of action. I get asked my opinion about these types of issues a lot. Why? I have no idea! </p><p>One (we'll call him Z) has been receiving speech services along with counseling which includes an FBA and a BIP. He is getting ready to be "graduate" from Speech, which leaves the school in limbo as to what to do now. His behavior does interfere with the learning of others and at times with his own learning. He does not have a learning disability and his IQ and achievement tests show average to above average abilities. So, do I recommend a 504 which would afford him most of the same protections as an IEP or do I recommend the IEP? </p><p>Neither child is having academic issues, meaning they are still receiving good grades even with the disruptions of In-School suspensions (ISS), regular suspensions, etc. If I recommend an IEP they'll probably advise the families to go with an ED eligibility, although they may look into a OHI elibility. I hate the ED eligibility. Why? I don't know, it just seems so extreme, but if it's what's needed then that's what the SD should do.</p><p>Those of you who have worked with the Special Education Departments (probably more than you want to) should be able to help me. Is there a preference? I think either option is appropriate.</p><p>I don't know, I want to help both kids, but I don't know how. The principal (insert rolling eyes now) just seems to make things worse, and would rather they suffer. The counselor recommended to the principal that Z be allowed to come to my room for ISS and to cool down. The principal said "No, I don't want him to go there because Ms ____ will give him good behavior rewards when he shows good behavior." Yes, the principal actually said that!!!!! I want to help, but I don't know how. Please help!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="worriedteacher, post: 417434, member: 11545"] OK, I'm almost embarrased to post this questions, but which is better, a 504 or an IEP? I have two kids (not my own, but that go to the school I work at) who have had behavior issues since Kindergarten and are now in fourth grade. Both of them (no not brothers, just happen to be in the same grade) have had behavior that has increased year after year and are now to the point of being in the court system. Neither child receives services from me, so I guess it's none of my business, but I really need to be able to recommend an appropriate (yes I hate that word too) course of action. I get asked my opinion about these types of issues a lot. Why? I have no idea! One (we'll call him Z) has been receiving speech services along with counseling which includes an FBA and a BIP. He is getting ready to be "graduate" from Speech, which leaves the school in limbo as to what to do now. His behavior does interfere with the learning of others and at times with his own learning. He does not have a learning disability and his IQ and achievement tests show average to above average abilities. So, do I recommend a 504 which would afford him most of the same protections as an IEP or do I recommend the IEP? Neither child is having academic issues, meaning they are still receiving good grades even with the disruptions of In-School suspensions (ISS), regular suspensions, etc. If I recommend an IEP they'll probably advise the families to go with an ED eligibility, although they may look into a OHI elibility. I hate the ED eligibility. Why? I don't know, it just seems so extreme, but if it's what's needed then that's what the SD should do. Those of you who have worked with the Special Education Departments (probably more than you want to) should be able to help me. Is there a preference? I think either option is appropriate. I don't know, I want to help both kids, but I don't know how. The principal (insert rolling eyes now) just seems to make things worse, and would rather they suffer. The counselor recommended to the principal that Z be allowed to come to my room for ISS and to cool down. The principal said "No, I don't want him to go there because Ms ____ will give him good behavior rewards when he shows good behavior." Yes, the principal actually said that!!!!! I want to help, but I don't know how. Please help! [/QUOTE]
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