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<blockquote data-quote="GoingNorth" data-source="post: 609265" data-attributes="member: 1963"><p>Tl, you AND your caregivers are lucky you like the feeling after anesthesia. I go down hard and come up hard. I have required sedation before and after anesthesia to avoid extreme agitation and panic.</p><p></p><p>I had to be put on valium IV after my last surgery as the pain killers caused me to become panicky. I think it is so bad in hospital as I already feel very out of control due to the environment.</p><p></p><p>I woke up today with my back feeling some better and took some ibuprofen instead of the pain medications and muscle relaxer. I don't feel any urge to take the RX medications because I have them. I'm just glad I feel more functional and can hopefully get some stuff done today if I'm very careful. Right now I am hoping my back continues feeling better and that I'll be able to start Physical Therapy after I see my doctor next week.</p><p></p><p>I am also hoping I will be able to drive shortly if I can continue going without the medications.</p><p></p><p>My drug in the 70s that scared me half to death was heroin, which I tried once by snorting. I LIKED the high, knew how addictive it was, and refused to use it again.</p><p></p><p>It's interesting that today I don't like narcotics despite liking one of the strongest ones out there. </p><p></p><p>I think it's also un-treated mental illness that causes a lot of this.</p><p></p><p>I know my difficulty with sleeping is what triggered my bout with alcohol. I'm just glad I remained in control enough to see where my use was heading and to quit the maladaptive attempt to cope before I became addictive.</p><p></p><p>I also find it interesting that meth is so hard to get off because physically it isn't addictive. The entire addiction with meth is psychological. I wouldn't use it even in the 70s. "Ice" was one drug that we were all scared to death of.</p><p></p><p>I have heard meth addicts say that the high is like no other. I do know that meth provides an intense high and that it is long-lasting and cheap. </p><p></p><p>Pot I don't know about. I smoked it quite often back "when" and never became dependent on it. I quit that along with the use of other illegal substances by the time I was 23.</p><p></p><p>husband was a pothead and quit before enlisting in the Army and had no problems quitting. He also used it to deal with the side-effects of chemotherapy. He didn't smoke it, but rather made a tea out of it. He never became addicted to it or to his pain medications. He did develop a physical dependence on the drugs and hated it, but he was in terrible pain without narcotics.</p><p></p><p>I remember him being hard to medicate as he felt the medications impaired his functioning. I can remember when he had to give up driving and how hard it was for him to do so.</p><p></p><p>I think in my case it was entirely self-medicating. I've been scared to death of becoming an addict from a young age due to family history and experience. </p><p></p><p>I am coming around to the idea that different people experience substances differently. I'm NOT upset that narcotics make me sick without Zofran for nausea and vomiting. Rather I'm glad that I can use them if required without getting sick.</p><p></p><p>I still wish they'd invent a pain medication that didn't cause impairment of mental functioning. I think it would cut back pill problems nearly entirely and would be good for society as well as the individual.</p><p></p><p>My drug that I love is Toradol. One shot in the butt, you can function, and it lasts all day/night.</p><p></p><p>I was surprised at how easy it was to get "substances" at the ER. No questions asked and I didn't have to ask for them. Rather the doctor asked me if I had any allergies and wrote out the RXs. She originally wrote for Percocet which I refused to take. Vicodin was not her medication of choice. She went right to the stronger stuff.</p><p></p><p>I can see where, if one lived in an area that had more than one hospital, it would be easy to shop around to get pills assuming one doesn't go into some sort of database. </p><p></p><p>I think one might as when I filled the RXs, I had to sign three times for the Vicodin. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure why also, pill addiction is considered to be more "respectable" than other addictions. It seems to me that there is a perception that pills are "safer" despite statistics showing that ODs on RX drugs are becoming more and more common.</p><p></p><p>I also know that, at least in my area, people turn to heroin when they can no longer get the pills. There apparently isn't much difference in the "high" from one opiate to another other than intensity due to strength of the substance.</p><p></p><p>I think addiction might fall into two broad categories: "depressants" and "stimulants", and what one uses is a matter of intensity. I also think that addiction needs to be handled "whole-istically" and that treatment might be useless unless the issues BEHIND the addiction are dealt with. It seems to me that too much of our treatment of addiction is punitive and not supportive. I think that the 30 days or 60 days of "rehab" are useless. I think that addiction treatment has to be an ongoing process requiring a team and family approach. You can get a person de-toxed over the short term, but if the underlying issues aren't dealt with, they will use again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GoingNorth, post: 609265, member: 1963"] Tl, you AND your caregivers are lucky you like the feeling after anesthesia. I go down hard and come up hard. I have required sedation before and after anesthesia to avoid extreme agitation and panic. I had to be put on valium IV after my last surgery as the pain killers caused me to become panicky. I think it is so bad in hospital as I already feel very out of control due to the environment. I woke up today with my back feeling some better and took some ibuprofen instead of the pain medications and muscle relaxer. I don't feel any urge to take the RX medications because I have them. I'm just glad I feel more functional and can hopefully get some stuff done today if I'm very careful. Right now I am hoping my back continues feeling better and that I'll be able to start Physical Therapy after I see my doctor next week. I am also hoping I will be able to drive shortly if I can continue going without the medications. My drug in the 70s that scared me half to death was heroin, which I tried once by snorting. I LIKED the high, knew how addictive it was, and refused to use it again. It's interesting that today I don't like narcotics despite liking one of the strongest ones out there. I think it's also un-treated mental illness that causes a lot of this. I know my difficulty with sleeping is what triggered my bout with alcohol. I'm just glad I remained in control enough to see where my use was heading and to quit the maladaptive attempt to cope before I became addictive. I also find it interesting that meth is so hard to get off because physically it isn't addictive. The entire addiction with meth is psychological. I wouldn't use it even in the 70s. "Ice" was one drug that we were all scared to death of. I have heard meth addicts say that the high is like no other. I do know that meth provides an intense high and that it is long-lasting and cheap. Pot I don't know about. I smoked it quite often back "when" and never became dependent on it. I quit that along with the use of other illegal substances by the time I was 23. husband was a pothead and quit before enlisting in the Army and had no problems quitting. He also used it to deal with the side-effects of chemotherapy. He didn't smoke it, but rather made a tea out of it. He never became addicted to it or to his pain medications. He did develop a physical dependence on the drugs and hated it, but he was in terrible pain without narcotics. I remember him being hard to medicate as he felt the medications impaired his functioning. I can remember when he had to give up driving and how hard it was for him to do so. I think in my case it was entirely self-medicating. I've been scared to death of becoming an addict from a young age due to family history and experience. I am coming around to the idea that different people experience substances differently. I'm NOT upset that narcotics make me sick without Zofran for nausea and vomiting. Rather I'm glad that I can use them if required without getting sick. I still wish they'd invent a pain medication that didn't cause impairment of mental functioning. I think it would cut back pill problems nearly entirely and would be good for society as well as the individual. My drug that I love is Toradol. One shot in the butt, you can function, and it lasts all day/night. I was surprised at how easy it was to get "substances" at the ER. No questions asked and I didn't have to ask for them. Rather the doctor asked me if I had any allergies and wrote out the RXs. She originally wrote for Percocet which I refused to take. Vicodin was not her medication of choice. She went right to the stronger stuff. I can see where, if one lived in an area that had more than one hospital, it would be easy to shop around to get pills assuming one doesn't go into some sort of database. I think one might as when I filled the RXs, I had to sign three times for the Vicodin. I'm not sure why also, pill addiction is considered to be more "respectable" than other addictions. It seems to me that there is a perception that pills are "safer" despite statistics showing that ODs on RX drugs are becoming more and more common. I also know that, at least in my area, people turn to heroin when they can no longer get the pills. There apparently isn't much difference in the "high" from one opiate to another other than intensity due to strength of the substance. I think addiction might fall into two broad categories: "depressants" and "stimulants", and what one uses is a matter of intensity. I also think that addiction needs to be handled "whole-istically" and that treatment might be useless unless the issues BEHIND the addiction are dealt with. It seems to me that too much of our treatment of addiction is punitive and not supportive. I think that the 30 days or 60 days of "rehab" are useless. I think that addiction treatment has to be an ongoing process requiring a team and family approach. You can get a person de-toxed over the short term, but if the underlying issues aren't dealt with, they will use again. [/QUOTE]
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