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Anyone else think "at will" work states are a joke? Is it just me?
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<blockquote data-quote="SuZir" data-source="post: 576836" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>As many of you know, I live in the area there workers tend to have more rights than about anywhere. That does cause problems at times. For example for small business the bad hiring decision can be really bad, because it is very difficult to get rid of even very bad worker. We do have a trial period of few months though in the beginning of an employment when employer or employee can terminate contract immediately without reason (but not because of certain reasons.) But after that, employee has to be written up three times for clear errors before they can be let go. Or has to do something rather serious (violence, being drunk at work there you use drive or use heavy machinery etc.) if let go because of financial reason, company can not hire anyone else to same type of work in next six months. If they need someone, they have to offer job back to one they let go. </p><p></p><p>Our retirement funds are collected from our all employers from age 20 on, there are big trust to handle that money, so that doesn't really matter from employers perspective. At times employers are in the bind with bad worker, who just isn't making any clear errors and then they may fire them illegally. After that, if employee takes it to court, employer has to pay damages, usually half a year pay or bit more, but sometimes that is cheaper for the company than keeping bad employee. And at times workers are smoked out. In many workplaces workers are given much more slack than law requires (let's face it, I shouldn't be writing this at work, but my employer couldn't care less what I do in office, when I just do my work well and in time) and if they want to get rid of someone, they just become sticklers to the rules. Sooner or later worker usually just starts to look for nicer job.</p><p></p><p>Our system is very opposite of USA and your politicians like to call us socialists or even communist and use those as curse words. But let's face it, it works for us and we don't really want to change it even while there are kinks. In worldwide perspective we are filthy rich. USA model is not an only possible one even for a wealthy country. It is political decision and in democracy those are, in the end, up to citizen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuZir, post: 576836, member: 14557"] As many of you know, I live in the area there workers tend to have more rights than about anywhere. That does cause problems at times. For example for small business the bad hiring decision can be really bad, because it is very difficult to get rid of even very bad worker. We do have a trial period of few months though in the beginning of an employment when employer or employee can terminate contract immediately without reason (but not because of certain reasons.) But after that, employee has to be written up three times for clear errors before they can be let go. Or has to do something rather serious (violence, being drunk at work there you use drive or use heavy machinery etc.) if let go because of financial reason, company can not hire anyone else to same type of work in next six months. If they need someone, they have to offer job back to one they let go. Our retirement funds are collected from our all employers from age 20 on, there are big trust to handle that money, so that doesn't really matter from employers perspective. At times employers are in the bind with bad worker, who just isn't making any clear errors and then they may fire them illegally. After that, if employee takes it to court, employer has to pay damages, usually half a year pay or bit more, but sometimes that is cheaper for the company than keeping bad employee. And at times workers are smoked out. In many workplaces workers are given much more slack than law requires (let's face it, I shouldn't be writing this at work, but my employer couldn't care less what I do in office, when I just do my work well and in time) and if they want to get rid of someone, they just become sticklers to the rules. Sooner or later worker usually just starts to look for nicer job. Our system is very opposite of USA and your politicians like to call us socialists or even communist and use those as curse words. But let's face it, it works for us and we don't really want to change it even while there are kinks. In worldwide perspective we are filthy rich. USA model is not an only possible one even for a wealthy country. It is political decision and in democracy those are, in the end, up to citizen. [/QUOTE]
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