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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 291345" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>This thread has raised some interesting points regarding complementary medicine vs more orthodox treatments. The suggestion has been made that doctos don't make money telling you to simpy changer your diet and take more vitamins, so people who could benefit from this often can spend a lot of time "in the wilderness" (my term).</p><p></p><p>The Aussie situation - I have found that it is generally the complementary medicine people who push the diet & vitamins approach who charge way above the schedule fee and who therefore are the onesmaking money. Not all, of course, and some conventioanl practitioners also charge way above schedule fee. (For background - all Australians qualify for Medicare which pays up to schedule fee for all accepted procedures and consultations; it pays 80&#37; if the doctor bulk-bills which means patients don't pay a cent but the doctor misses out on a bit more of the fee in order to lure more customers).</p><p>There are two groups (mainly) working in the field of glutyen intolerance/food sensitivities. One group is the researxh group I mentioned - conservative medicine. In fact, the head researcher has been party to exposing and shutting down some of the raving loony mob (my earflier description). As a result, he is not popular in the complementary medicine field even though those who "play fair" with patients and the health care system are not in his sights.</p><p>The second group is the complementary medicine people. Some of them find gluten sensitivity under every bush. I've encountered one GP (and counselled a lot of his patients) who magically finds hypoglycemia in every patient that walks through his door. They leave clutching a little bottle of glycerin to sip at frequent intervals. He also advised his patients to avoid the support networks (including the one that, for a while, was sending patients to him and for which I worked as a counsellor). In other words, he was setting himself up as their only channel not only of information, but of support. No other way to be informed except through him. The advent of the Internet finished this practice off.</p><p></p><p>The thing is - here, despite te availability of 'free' health care for all, it is the doctors promoting gluten-free diets and vitamins who are making the most private money from desperate patients. There are others too, but the complementary medicine people in general charge more - and they get it. There's gold in them thar ills.</p><p></p><p>Of course there are reputable complementary prtactgitioners here too but they can be hard to find. They can also be overloaded with paitents - so you understgnad the temptation to charge more - what the market will bear.</p><p></p><p>So I don't feel that your doctors failing to help with gluten problems is a money thing - I think it's more likely to be scepticism, an unwillingness to consider it. Our doctors who treat gluten problems still have the patients coming back regularly for ongoing support and supervision, so they continue to make their money from them. The conventional ones as well as the complementary medicine ones.</p><p></p><p>The difficulty as I see it in the US (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that it costs you for each consult, plus patients are likely to wait until you're REALLY sick, if you don't carry enough insurance. PLusd conservatgive insurance companies can argue over whaty they will ocver, and complementary medicien is often left out in the cold. Doctors would thereforfe get wary of the easy fix plus the 'odd' fix, not wanting to suddenly find their fee cancelled by an over-cautious insurance company.</p><p></p><p>It does come down to the almighty dollar b ut perhaps not in the way you think.</p><p></p><p>Back to Katlin - I'm maybe being Devil's Advocate here but if I had been in her shoes and had recently advised a friend of something that had helped a child of mine, even some years ago, my thoughts might also wander to - who elsemight be interested in this information? I've just written this ins a letter, can I share it with someone else? The trigger int his case was soemthing Katlin pointed out to us, the letter to a friend. So I'm happy to take this at face value. And I DO think that we shouldalways be open to consider ALL possibilities to help our children.</p><p></p><p>However, remember what the research team told us concerning autism - in the case of autism, only 30% of patients were able to be helped by an appropriate, carefully worked out change in diet, and it was not a cure. But 30% is 30%, and sometimes any improvement can be a good beginning.</p><p></p><p>Just make sure that you check it out properly with reputable medicos and not the raving loonies (I gave you some of the diagnostic features of raving loonies in my earlier post). Also if you stumble across someone doing research - it's supposed to be free. </p><p></p><p>ALWAYS - keep yourself fully informed, read widely, become an expert in your own child. </p><p></p><p>From there on, the experience becomes very individual.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 291345, member: 1991"] This thread has raised some interesting points regarding complementary medicine vs more orthodox treatments. The suggestion has been made that doctos don't make money telling you to simpy changer your diet and take more vitamins, so people who could benefit from this often can spend a lot of time "in the wilderness" (my term). The Aussie situation - I have found that it is generally the complementary medicine people who push the diet & vitamins approach who charge way above the schedule fee and who therefore are the onesmaking money. Not all, of course, and some conventioanl practitioners also charge way above schedule fee. (For background - all Australians qualify for Medicare which pays up to schedule fee for all accepted procedures and consultations; it pays 80% if the doctor bulk-bills which means patients don't pay a cent but the doctor misses out on a bit more of the fee in order to lure more customers). There are two groups (mainly) working in the field of glutyen intolerance/food sensitivities. One group is the researxh group I mentioned - conservative medicine. In fact, the head researcher has been party to exposing and shutting down some of the raving loony mob (my earflier description). As a result, he is not popular in the complementary medicine field even though those who "play fair" with patients and the health care system are not in his sights. The second group is the complementary medicine people. Some of them find gluten sensitivity under every bush. I've encountered one GP (and counselled a lot of his patients) who magically finds hypoglycemia in every patient that walks through his door. They leave clutching a little bottle of glycerin to sip at frequent intervals. He also advised his patients to avoid the support networks (including the one that, for a while, was sending patients to him and for which I worked as a counsellor). In other words, he was setting himself up as their only channel not only of information, but of support. No other way to be informed except through him. The advent of the Internet finished this practice off. The thing is - here, despite te availability of 'free' health care for all, it is the doctors promoting gluten-free diets and vitamins who are making the most private money from desperate patients. There are others too, but the complementary medicine people in general charge more - and they get it. There's gold in them thar ills. Of course there are reputable complementary prtactgitioners here too but they can be hard to find. They can also be overloaded with paitents - so you understgnad the temptation to charge more - what the market will bear. So I don't feel that your doctors failing to help with gluten problems is a money thing - I think it's more likely to be scepticism, an unwillingness to consider it. Our doctors who treat gluten problems still have the patients coming back regularly for ongoing support and supervision, so they continue to make their money from them. The conventional ones as well as the complementary medicine ones. The difficulty as I see it in the US (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that it costs you for each consult, plus patients are likely to wait until you're REALLY sick, if you don't carry enough insurance. PLusd conservatgive insurance companies can argue over whaty they will ocver, and complementary medicien is often left out in the cold. Doctors would thereforfe get wary of the easy fix plus the 'odd' fix, not wanting to suddenly find their fee cancelled by an over-cautious insurance company. It does come down to the almighty dollar b ut perhaps not in the way you think. Back to Katlin - I'm maybe being Devil's Advocate here but if I had been in her shoes and had recently advised a friend of something that had helped a child of mine, even some years ago, my thoughts might also wander to - who elsemight be interested in this information? I've just written this ins a letter, can I share it with someone else? The trigger int his case was soemthing Katlin pointed out to us, the letter to a friend. So I'm happy to take this at face value. And I DO think that we shouldalways be open to consider ALL possibilities to help our children. However, remember what the research team told us concerning autism - in the case of autism, only 30% of patients were able to be helped by an appropriate, carefully worked out change in diet, and it was not a cure. But 30% is 30%, and sometimes any improvement can be a good beginning. Just make sure that you check it out properly with reputable medicos and not the raving loonies (I gave you some of the diagnostic features of raving loonies in my earlier post). Also if you stumble across someone doing research - it's supposed to be free. ALWAYS - keep yourself fully informed, read widely, become an expert in your own child. From there on, the experience becomes very individual. Marg [/QUOTE]
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