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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 291676" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>fairly, you said, "In my experience, the difference between a mainstream doctor and an alternative one is the mainstream doctor will run the test (let's say for celiac disease) and if it is negative will say there is no problem. Or that the problem is anxiety or stress. An alternative doctor will say even though the test is negative, some people don't tolerate gluten well and mention the diet could be tried."</p><p></p><p>There are more distinctions than this, but you make a good point. From what I recall, my coeliac test is 'normal' but the problems I have with oats in my diet definitely indicates that a gluten-free diet is gonig to be an improvement for me, at least as far as GI symptoms are concerned.</p><p></p><p>I think the differences here are cultural as well - the conservative diet clinic I mentioned are definitely a bastion of conventional medicine, yet would fully agree with you that just because the tests are negative, doesn't mean there isn't a potential gluten intolerance problem. So maybe in the US the differences are that simple, but not in Australia. Or maybe everywhere, it's more complex. One thing I have found in a lot of complementary medicine places that worries me - the tendency to get you coming and going, the circular logic that can trap you into being their patient. Or maybe that only happens here? A woman we encountered who was heavily promoting a diet consisting of juices only (freshly produced from her industrial-grade juicer) plus daily colonic irrigation, told me that I would need it because the GI tract gets sluggish and needs increasing chemical help to function. I replied that my GI tract performed well, I never had constipation. her reply - I didn't know how sick I really was, my GI tract must be so gunged up that the walls were smoothed out from layers of gunk that needed to be flushed out, and so it only SEEMED to be working normally. In other words, no matter how I answered, she had a reason as to why I should have, like her, daily colonics. In vain did I protest that if we were meant to have daily colonics we'd have been born with hoses implanted; if we were meant to live on freshly produced juice we'd be born with no teeth and a shorter digestive tract.</p><p></p><p>Katlin, sometimes we can find a connection in the family and sometimes not. It's always worth considering because we also need to keep it in mind when our children have children.</p><p>Example: I was the child of a mother with immune problems plus as a baby I had cows milk intolerance, so when I had my first baby I made sure she was not given anything with cows milk in it. Despite my vigilance and notes all over the baby's crib she was given a bottle of cows' milk formula while still in the hospital nursery which she promptly vomited back all over the nurse. However, she had no cows milk products for the next year. I was trying to pre-empt te problems I had had as a baby. </p><p>She is now 27 and has no allergies or sensitivities to speak of. </p><p>I did the same with the other kids - difficult child 3 developed an antibiotic allergy at 6 weeks old and has since developed another couple of allergies (a food colouring and another medication). easy child 2/difficult child 2 has developed a couple of unexplained allergy rashes at times, including one to a particular detergent (brand of bubble bath) while difficult child 1 is allergic to another detergent (washing up liquid). We change brands and have no problem.</p><p>I don't know for sure, but I beleive my early igilance kept the problems reduced. None of them have the quantity of allergies I had as a child, nor the quantity my mother had. I've gone on to develop many more allergies - I blame my rough start.</p><p></p><p>We can be careful and still find problems. But taking precautions at least gives your kids more chance.</p><p></p><p>We can give special diets a try, give vitamin supplements a try, and find maybe no difference - but then nothing has been lost. And you never know - you could find it helps.</p><p></p><p>The important thing is to try to do it with someone overseeing it to make sure you're not risking damage to your health (some ideas can be crackpot, I've heard some weird stuff such as the GP selling expensive bottles of glycerin to his patients at about 10 times the price for exactly the same bottle in the local pharmacy, all because he said they had hypoglycemia).</p><p></p><p>Don't hurt yourself, don't get ripped off. A reputable doctor will follow the Hippocratic Oath which starts with, "First, do no harm." But there are the raving loonies out there (my previous term) who seem to have thrown the Hippocratic Oath out with the bathwater. They now follow, "First, do no harm to your own bank balance."</p><p></p><p>Katlin, I find it funny that one of your kids became a dietician. Funny, because my eldest became an Occupational Therapist (OT). They seem to fall into the "fix it" mould that we as parents are in, for our problem children. But one thing I've noticed and I suspect you probably have too - the therapist your child becomes is a darn good one, with a broader perspective than most and a determination to really help people.</p><p></p><p>Not needing ADHD medications: something we were told with difficult child 1's new doctor - when they're adults, their need for medications plummets. They mostly need medications when learning how to adapt, and when needing to concentrate on studies. difficult child 1 needs medications at some level for other reasons, but the doctor is dropping his dosage. easy child 2/difficult child 2 has dropped herdosage back a long way except when studying. She takes half her old dose when at work; skips medications entirely on her days off.</p><p></p><p>I guess it shows - at no time do we stop learning or stop adapting.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 291676, member: 1991"] fairly, you said, "In my experience, the difference between a mainstream doctor and an alternative one is the mainstream doctor will run the test (let's say for celiac disease) and if it is negative will say there is no problem. Or that the problem is anxiety or stress. An alternative doctor will say even though the test is negative, some people don't tolerate gluten well and mention the diet could be tried." There are more distinctions than this, but you make a good point. From what I recall, my coeliac test is 'normal' but the problems I have with oats in my diet definitely indicates that a gluten-free diet is gonig to be an improvement for me, at least as far as GI symptoms are concerned. I think the differences here are cultural as well - the conservative diet clinic I mentioned are definitely a bastion of conventional medicine, yet would fully agree with you that just because the tests are negative, doesn't mean there isn't a potential gluten intolerance problem. So maybe in the US the differences are that simple, but not in Australia. Or maybe everywhere, it's more complex. One thing I have found in a lot of complementary medicine places that worries me - the tendency to get you coming and going, the circular logic that can trap you into being their patient. Or maybe that only happens here? A woman we encountered who was heavily promoting a diet consisting of juices only (freshly produced from her industrial-grade juicer) plus daily colonic irrigation, told me that I would need it because the GI tract gets sluggish and needs increasing chemical help to function. I replied that my GI tract performed well, I never had constipation. her reply - I didn't know how sick I really was, my GI tract must be so gunged up that the walls were smoothed out from layers of gunk that needed to be flushed out, and so it only SEEMED to be working normally. In other words, no matter how I answered, she had a reason as to why I should have, like her, daily colonics. In vain did I protest that if we were meant to have daily colonics we'd have been born with hoses implanted; if we were meant to live on freshly produced juice we'd be born with no teeth and a shorter digestive tract. Katlin, sometimes we can find a connection in the family and sometimes not. It's always worth considering because we also need to keep it in mind when our children have children. Example: I was the child of a mother with immune problems plus as a baby I had cows milk intolerance, so when I had my first baby I made sure she was not given anything with cows milk in it. Despite my vigilance and notes all over the baby's crib she was given a bottle of cows' milk formula while still in the hospital nursery which she promptly vomited back all over the nurse. However, she had no cows milk products for the next year. I was trying to pre-empt te problems I had had as a baby. She is now 27 and has no allergies or sensitivities to speak of. I did the same with the other kids - difficult child 3 developed an antibiotic allergy at 6 weeks old and has since developed another couple of allergies (a food colouring and another medication). easy child 2/difficult child 2 has developed a couple of unexplained allergy rashes at times, including one to a particular detergent (brand of bubble bath) while difficult child 1 is allergic to another detergent (washing up liquid). We change brands and have no problem. I don't know for sure, but I beleive my early igilance kept the problems reduced. None of them have the quantity of allergies I had as a child, nor the quantity my mother had. I've gone on to develop many more allergies - I blame my rough start. We can be careful and still find problems. But taking precautions at least gives your kids more chance. We can give special diets a try, give vitamin supplements a try, and find maybe no difference - but then nothing has been lost. And you never know - you could find it helps. The important thing is to try to do it with someone overseeing it to make sure you're not risking damage to your health (some ideas can be crackpot, I've heard some weird stuff such as the GP selling expensive bottles of glycerin to his patients at about 10 times the price for exactly the same bottle in the local pharmacy, all because he said they had hypoglycemia). Don't hurt yourself, don't get ripped off. A reputable doctor will follow the Hippocratic Oath which starts with, "First, do no harm." But there are the raving loonies out there (my previous term) who seem to have thrown the Hippocratic Oath out with the bathwater. They now follow, "First, do no harm to your own bank balance." Katlin, I find it funny that one of your kids became a dietician. Funny, because my eldest became an Occupational Therapist (OT). They seem to fall into the "fix it" mould that we as parents are in, for our problem children. But one thing I've noticed and I suspect you probably have too - the therapist your child becomes is a darn good one, with a broader perspective than most and a determination to really help people. Not needing ADHD medications: something we were told with difficult child 1's new doctor - when they're adults, their need for medications plummets. They mostly need medications when learning how to adapt, and when needing to concentrate on studies. difficult child 1 needs medications at some level for other reasons, but the doctor is dropping his dosage. easy child 2/difficult child 2 has dropped herdosage back a long way except when studying. She takes half her old dose when at work; skips medications entirely on her days off. I guess it shows - at no time do we stop learning or stop adapting. Marg [/QUOTE]
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