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Arghhhh... the ups and downs dealing with difficult child
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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 526349" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>(((((hugs)))))</p><p></p><p>I do know a bit about methadone and how it is used in drug treatment programs. The suspicion of heroin is exactly right if he is truly being given methadone. Methadone is FAR stronger than percoset (oxycodone and tylenol) and it is a strange jump to methadone to detox off of percoset. Not unless you have used for a LONG time and probably have actual medically based chronic pain issues. It is used for oxycontin users, and that is also oxycodone, but it is a stronger form bc it is extended release broken down to release immediately.</p><p></p><p>Also, given that he has no job, no $ from you, and not sure how he is getting $ each day, it would be very expensive to get enough percoset/oxycodone to stay out of withdrawal. it just is. Heroin, sadly, is vastly less expensive. So you get higher for less money, which is what most addicts would want.</p><p></p><p>He is wanting to get high, not clean and his claims about the methadone prove it. How? Methadone stays in your system for more than 20 hrs usually. MOST addicts do not experience withdrawal if given a single daily dose until 25-40 hours after the last dose. One reason that addicts claim methadone isn't working is because it doesn't make you feel high for nearly as long as other opiates, even though it IS in your system and it IS working. It stops a lot of the cramping, vomiting, and other symptoms of withdrawal. (I know this stuff because I take methadone for pain mgmt and refused to take it until I spoke with my doctor and with an addiction doctor so I knew what I was getting into.)</p><p></p><p>Detox IS miserable, even brutal. Your difficult child is likely getting what he needs to handle detox with-o putting himself into medical danger with-o enough medications to make it 'fun' and 'easy'. His efforts to get you to pay for him to be elsewhere are nothing but an attempt to get $ out of you so that he can use it to get high and not go to treatment, or to get to someplace where he can con the staff and use. If changing his place of treatment was going to work, it would probably have already worked for him at one of the sober houses or treatments in the past. </p><p></p><p>He very much does not sound like he wants to be clean and sober. The stuff about having 12 steps shoved down his throat is pretty typical and another smokescreen for "I don't wanna stop using".</p><p></p><p>Have you stopped to think about his claim of having "drugs forced on him"? Give it a second. What problem is he getting help with? Why are street drugs, drugs that he has NO clue what they truly are OR what they will truly do to him, fine and great to put into his body but prescription medications to help treat a drug problem and keep him somewhat comfortable and SAFE are not? It is just fiiiiiiiiiiiine to take spice and other illegal drugs that could kill him with a single dose but it isn't okay to take medications prescribed by a doctor, made in factories that are clean and are all of a standard potency? Gee, have you stopped shaking your head over the absolute stupidity of that statement? The detox is shoving drugs on him but wasn't his complaint in the start of the conversation that they were not giving him enough methadone? Wow. I wonder f he has any clue how illogical that is? Or was he just saying anything that he could think of to get you to pay for something for him?</p><p></p><p>I am glad you tossed this in HIS lap. You and husband have found and paid for so much for him, and he has chosen to not do the work. Please don't get sucked in enough to keep finding rehabs and thinking about helping plan things like that walk across the country that he spoke of. These things are going to be nonstop and designed to get you to pay for something so that he can sell/trade them for drug money. You truly have done everything a parent can do short of killing anyone who gives/sells drugs to him. Now he needs to be a man and handle this.</p><p></p><p>He was able to find money for booze and drugs, even when living on the beach a while back between sober home stays. He is resourceful enough to find a way to pay for treatment/detox/etc... when it is his idea and he WANTS to quit. Until then? There is nothing you haven't already done. </p><p></p><p>by the way, if you are worried about him eating, I knew 2 sociology students back in the late 80's who spent a year panhandling to write a thesis on that. They each made over $40,000 in that year and they only panhandled part of the time, not full time. They worked NO other job than that and had no family help. They had a nice apt that they shared, they paid their bills - even credit card bills! People are generous if they think you really need help, and that is the cushion our kids land on. </p><p></p><p>I am sorry this is so hard for yo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 526349, member: 1233"] (((((hugs))))) I do know a bit about methadone and how it is used in drug treatment programs. The suspicion of heroin is exactly right if he is truly being given methadone. Methadone is FAR stronger than percoset (oxycodone and tylenol) and it is a strange jump to methadone to detox off of percoset. Not unless you have used for a LONG time and probably have actual medically based chronic pain issues. It is used for oxycontin users, and that is also oxycodone, but it is a stronger form bc it is extended release broken down to release immediately. Also, given that he has no job, no $ from you, and not sure how he is getting $ each day, it would be very expensive to get enough percoset/oxycodone to stay out of withdrawal. it just is. Heroin, sadly, is vastly less expensive. So you get higher for less money, which is what most addicts would want. He is wanting to get high, not clean and his claims about the methadone prove it. How? Methadone stays in your system for more than 20 hrs usually. MOST addicts do not experience withdrawal if given a single daily dose until 25-40 hours after the last dose. One reason that addicts claim methadone isn't working is because it doesn't make you feel high for nearly as long as other opiates, even though it IS in your system and it IS working. It stops a lot of the cramping, vomiting, and other symptoms of withdrawal. (I know this stuff because I take methadone for pain mgmt and refused to take it until I spoke with my doctor and with an addiction doctor so I knew what I was getting into.) Detox IS miserable, even brutal. Your difficult child is likely getting what he needs to handle detox with-o putting himself into medical danger with-o enough medications to make it 'fun' and 'easy'. His efforts to get you to pay for him to be elsewhere are nothing but an attempt to get $ out of you so that he can use it to get high and not go to treatment, or to get to someplace where he can con the staff and use. If changing his place of treatment was going to work, it would probably have already worked for him at one of the sober houses or treatments in the past. He very much does not sound like he wants to be clean and sober. The stuff about having 12 steps shoved down his throat is pretty typical and another smokescreen for "I don't wanna stop using". Have you stopped to think about his claim of having "drugs forced on him"? Give it a second. What problem is he getting help with? Why are street drugs, drugs that he has NO clue what they truly are OR what they will truly do to him, fine and great to put into his body but prescription medications to help treat a drug problem and keep him somewhat comfortable and SAFE are not? It is just fiiiiiiiiiiiine to take spice and other illegal drugs that could kill him with a single dose but it isn't okay to take medications prescribed by a doctor, made in factories that are clean and are all of a standard potency? Gee, have you stopped shaking your head over the absolute stupidity of that statement? The detox is shoving drugs on him but wasn't his complaint in the start of the conversation that they were not giving him enough methadone? Wow. I wonder f he has any clue how illogical that is? Or was he just saying anything that he could think of to get you to pay for something for him? I am glad you tossed this in HIS lap. You and husband have found and paid for so much for him, and he has chosen to not do the work. Please don't get sucked in enough to keep finding rehabs and thinking about helping plan things like that walk across the country that he spoke of. These things are going to be nonstop and designed to get you to pay for something so that he can sell/trade them for drug money. You truly have done everything a parent can do short of killing anyone who gives/sells drugs to him. Now he needs to be a man and handle this. He was able to find money for booze and drugs, even when living on the beach a while back between sober home stays. He is resourceful enough to find a way to pay for treatment/detox/etc... when it is his idea and he WANTS to quit. Until then? There is nothing you haven't already done. by the way, if you are worried about him eating, I knew 2 sociology students back in the late 80's who spent a year panhandling to write a thesis on that. They each made over $40,000 in that year and they only panhandled part of the time, not full time. They worked NO other job than that and had no family help. They had a nice apt that they shared, they paid their bills - even credit card bills! People are generous if they think you really need help, and that is the cushion our kids land on. I am sorry this is so hard for yo. [/QUOTE]
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