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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 741089" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>Hi SWOT</p><p></p><p>I am an extremist so take everything I write with a grain of salt. There is a lot of counsel on the internet. This is where I would start reading, and I will then tell you what I did.</p><p></p><p>There is an MD out of Toronto whose name is Jason Fung. He is a nephrologist or kidney specialist. He talks about intermittent fasting. There are lots of writings and youtube videos. He is very easy to understand. He talks some about keto, too.</p><p></p><p>There is also a site I think it is called dietdoctor.com that explains the science.</p><p></p><p>So. There are 3 concepts. </p><p></p><p>One is to eat in a time window of say 6 hours a day, but this is variable. The idea here is to NOT EAT for at least 16 hours a day. Say, eating between 8am and 2pm or noon to 6. That is one version of intermittent fasting but there are other versions. For example one is for 2 days a week, to eat less than 450 calories if you are a smallish woman. And on the other 5 days eat normally. (There is research that supports that eating under that caloric amount is considered to be fasting by the body.) I did this and did not lose much so considered it not worth the pain.</p><p></p><p>There is also the idea of time restricted eating. There is research that says that the body wants to eat earlier in the day, and does not want to eat later. This I have found true for me. While I have an easy time not eating in the morning, it is not so good for me.</p><p></p><p>The 3rd concept is the Keto. Where carbs are drastically reduced to typically less that 20 per day, at first.</p><p></p><p>To me all of these concepts are linked. I will explain how I understand and experience this. First. If you are eating 16 hours a day, particularly carbs your body has no incentive and no practice of turning to fat deposits to burn. Carbs are a very easy form of energy to burn in the form of stored glucose. Stored glucose also gloms onto water and we hold a lot of water weight if we eat a lot of carbs. If you go on keto the first week you can lose lots of weight, like 6 or 8 pounds for some people. That is largely water weight, but it sure feels good to let go of it. The other thing you will realize if you cut out carbs is that you have way more self-control with your eating. Carbs are addictive. You eat them and you want more. At least I am that way. The one draw back is that initially many people get the Keto flu. They feel weak at first. This soon passes. Keto is really a lovely way to eat. </p><p></p><p>I love carbs more than anything. I love pie. I love sweets. I love bread. I love potatoes. When I eat these I cannot stop. CANNOT STOP. It is a good feeling to know that I can choose. I can choose to have a carb day, and then the next day, go back to KETO. You will have to shop. New staples for me which I NEVER bought before are: half and half and almond butter. I eat cheese. I eat Yogurt. I eat steak. I cook for myself completely differently than for M. It is manageable to me. I see food now more as fuel.</p><p></p><p>This is what I did at first which was radical and probably stupid.</p><p></p><p>What I did to lose weight fast was to greatly reduce my carbohydrates to 20.</p><p>And I at only between 8am and 2pm. In 10 days I lost 8lbs. And I maintained it and lost a bit more, without much effort.</p><p></p><p>After the 10 days, I kept my carbs to probably 20 to 30, but with more flexibility. I will have a glass of wine when I am out, if I want. Or even eat a regular meal. But I go back to the keto right away. And I am not stopping eating at 2. Sometimes I go to 5pm. Which would be a 16 hour fast and I find that not hard at all. They say that the body does not recognize as breaking the fast, less than 50 calories. So, I do not stress if I put milk in tea, etc.</p><p></p><p>You have 10 months. That is a long time. Normally I can only lose a pound a month!!! That is why I got radical. But even a pound a month for you would be 10 pounds by the wedding. </p><p></p><p>The one thing that I realize now is that EXERCISE does not help with weight loss. The research supports this. I was exercising 10 hours a week. Exercise has all kinds of benefits. But weight loss? No. Not in my experience.</p><p></p><p>I want to get back to my exercise though. The weather is cooling off here, I just might start back this week. Good luck. Let me know what you decide to do.</p><p></p><p>Many people do Keto for health alone. There is something very stabilizing and purifying about cutting down carbs, for me. And the principle of not eating all of the time, and giving the body a rest is also sound, to me. We were not designed to graze. To fast to a limited extent is normal and healthy in my view.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 741089, member: 18958"] Hi SWOT I am an extremist so take everything I write with a grain of salt. There is a lot of counsel on the internet. This is where I would start reading, and I will then tell you what I did. There is an MD out of Toronto whose name is Jason Fung. He is a nephrologist or kidney specialist. He talks about intermittent fasting. There are lots of writings and youtube videos. He is very easy to understand. He talks some about keto, too. There is also a site I think it is called dietdoctor.com that explains the science. So. There are 3 concepts. One is to eat in a time window of say 6 hours a day, but this is variable. The idea here is to NOT EAT for at least 16 hours a day. Say, eating between 8am and 2pm or noon to 6. That is one version of intermittent fasting but there are other versions. For example one is for 2 days a week, to eat less than 450 calories if you are a smallish woman. And on the other 5 days eat normally. (There is research that supports that eating under that caloric amount is considered to be fasting by the body.) I did this and did not lose much so considered it not worth the pain. There is also the idea of time restricted eating. There is research that says that the body wants to eat earlier in the day, and does not want to eat later. This I have found true for me. While I have an easy time not eating in the morning, it is not so good for me. The 3rd concept is the Keto. Where carbs are drastically reduced to typically less that 20 per day, at first. To me all of these concepts are linked. I will explain how I understand and experience this. First. If you are eating 16 hours a day, particularly carbs your body has no incentive and no practice of turning to fat deposits to burn. Carbs are a very easy form of energy to burn in the form of stored glucose. Stored glucose also gloms onto water and we hold a lot of water weight if we eat a lot of carbs. If you go on keto the first week you can lose lots of weight, like 6 or 8 pounds for some people. That is largely water weight, but it sure feels good to let go of it. The other thing you will realize if you cut out carbs is that you have way more self-control with your eating. Carbs are addictive. You eat them and you want more. At least I am that way. The one draw back is that initially many people get the Keto flu. They feel weak at first. This soon passes. Keto is really a lovely way to eat. I love carbs more than anything. I love pie. I love sweets. I love bread. I love potatoes. When I eat these I cannot stop. CANNOT STOP. It is a good feeling to know that I can choose. I can choose to have a carb day, and then the next day, go back to KETO. You will have to shop. New staples for me which I NEVER bought before are: half and half and almond butter. I eat cheese. I eat Yogurt. I eat steak. I cook for myself completely differently than for M. It is manageable to me. I see food now more as fuel. This is what I did at first which was radical and probably stupid. What I did to lose weight fast was to greatly reduce my carbohydrates to 20. And I at only between 8am and 2pm. In 10 days I lost 8lbs. And I maintained it and lost a bit more, without much effort. After the 10 days, I kept my carbs to probably 20 to 30, but with more flexibility. I will have a glass of wine when I am out, if I want. Or even eat a regular meal. But I go back to the keto right away. And I am not stopping eating at 2. Sometimes I go to 5pm. Which would be a 16 hour fast and I find that not hard at all. They say that the body does not recognize as breaking the fast, less than 50 calories. So, I do not stress if I put milk in tea, etc. You have 10 months. That is a long time. Normally I can only lose a pound a month!!! That is why I got radical. But even a pound a month for you would be 10 pounds by the wedding. The one thing that I realize now is that EXERCISE does not help with weight loss. The research supports this. I was exercising 10 hours a week. Exercise has all kinds of benefits. But weight loss? No. Not in my experience. I want to get back to my exercise though. The weather is cooling off here, I just might start back this week. Good luck. Let me know what you decide to do. Many people do Keto for health alone. There is something very stabilizing and purifying about cutting down carbs, for me. And the principle of not eating all of the time, and giving the body a rest is also sound, to me. We were not designed to graze. To fast to a limited extent is normal and healthy in my view. [/QUOTE]
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