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<blockquote data-quote="TerryJ2" data-source="post: 426970" data-attributes="member: 3419"><p>It certainly can get complicated. And I know that ASPD people do not have to have all of the traditional characteristics, such as lighting fires and torturing or killing animals. </p><p>easy child saw a film at school where a young adult (say, 24 or so) ASPD was intereviewed, and said he'd never gotten into fires, and never tortured animals, and that he actually loved animals. But he'd kill a human any day. Just because he hated everyone. </p><p> </p><p>I see where she's coming from, but I agree with-most people here, that my difficult child is Aspie, with-some additional mood disorder. And just because he can be a jerk doesn't mean he's ASPD. </p><p> </p><p>In regard to the crying issue, I knew I'd get jumped on for that. I didn't explain it very well. We do not "make him cry" every time we discipline him. But I can tell right away when he is guilty of something--his ears turn bright red and he stares at the ground and doesn't talk. I've found that NOT berating him at times like that is the best way to proceed. Otherwise, he will just blow up, which I think any normal person would do when they're emotionally pushed into a corner.</p><p> </p><p>One thing I've noticed about my difficult child is a sort of dichotomy in regard to his surliness and rudeness toward me, and then he turns around and becomes totally dependent. </p><p>For example, the other day he stayed after school for tutoring, and had baseball at 5:00 p.m. right behind his school. I had told him earlier that he was to stay at school and not come home, and I would meet him there.</p><p>Well, he ignored me and got on the bus, then I texted him and he got off the bus, then he yelled at me because he wanted to go home, I told him it was a waste of time and would make us late for practice, I'd brought food in the car, etc.</p><p>It turned out that I'd forgotten some of this baseball gear, so we went home anyway, and once he was there, he changed his clothes, ate the food I'd gotten him, got back into the car and walked onto the field with-no problem. His parting shot was, "You're not leavng are you?"</p><p>I really wanted to leave and move to a South Sea island at that point, I was so fed up with-him. But all of a sudden, he was a little boy again and his tantrum was over, now that his routine was restored.</p><p>I see that as being much more Aspie than anything else.</p><p>I don't see that part, in particular, as "using me," but as being dependent.</p><p> </p><p>by the way, in regard to taking things away from him until he becomes compliant,(not necessarily apologetic--2 diff things) that is the fastest way to get him to respond, at least for now. And we don't take away just anything. It's the computer, video games and cell phone. The psychologist who did the initial testing and diagnosis for him warned us not to let him play repetetive and/or violent video games for more than 1-2 hrs a day because it creates excess (and useless) electrical activity in the frontal lobes, which takes away from deeper thought processing and executive functioning, something our regular therapist agrees with-wholeheartedly.</p><p> </p><p>So many things to cover here, so little time!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerryJ2, post: 426970, member: 3419"] It certainly can get complicated. And I know that ASPD people do not have to have all of the traditional characteristics, such as lighting fires and torturing or killing animals. easy child saw a film at school where a young adult (say, 24 or so) ASPD was intereviewed, and said he'd never gotten into fires, and never tortured animals, and that he actually loved animals. But he'd kill a human any day. Just because he hated everyone. I see where she's coming from, but I agree with-most people here, that my difficult child is Aspie, with-some additional mood disorder. And just because he can be a jerk doesn't mean he's ASPD. In regard to the crying issue, I knew I'd get jumped on for that. I didn't explain it very well. We do not "make him cry" every time we discipline him. But I can tell right away when he is guilty of something--his ears turn bright red and he stares at the ground and doesn't talk. I've found that NOT berating him at times like that is the best way to proceed. Otherwise, he will just blow up, which I think any normal person would do when they're emotionally pushed into a corner. One thing I've noticed about my difficult child is a sort of dichotomy in regard to his surliness and rudeness toward me, and then he turns around and becomes totally dependent. For example, the other day he stayed after school for tutoring, and had baseball at 5:00 p.m. right behind his school. I had told him earlier that he was to stay at school and not come home, and I would meet him there. Well, he ignored me and got on the bus, then I texted him and he got off the bus, then he yelled at me because he wanted to go home, I told him it was a waste of time and would make us late for practice, I'd brought food in the car, etc. It turned out that I'd forgotten some of this baseball gear, so we went home anyway, and once he was there, he changed his clothes, ate the food I'd gotten him, got back into the car and walked onto the field with-no problem. His parting shot was, "You're not leavng are you?" I really wanted to leave and move to a South Sea island at that point, I was so fed up with-him. But all of a sudden, he was a little boy again and his tantrum was over, now that his routine was restored. I see that as being much more Aspie than anything else. I don't see that part, in particular, as "using me," but as being dependent. by the way, in regard to taking things away from him until he becomes compliant,(not necessarily apologetic--2 diff things) that is the fastest way to get him to respond, at least for now. And we don't take away just anything. It's the computer, video games and cell phone. The psychologist who did the initial testing and diagnosis for him warned us not to let him play repetetive and/or violent video games for more than 1-2 hrs a day because it creates excess (and useless) electrical activity in the frontal lobes, which takes away from deeper thought processing and executive functioning, something our regular therapist agrees with-wholeheartedly. So many things to cover here, so little time! [/QUOTE]
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