Hi I so value your advice since you all are a bit ahead of me. difficult child is not using drugs nor having sex, thankfully. He is defiant, coming home at 8pm instead of 6pm. Stealing from me and lying about it. I now have a little lock on my purse. The usual litany of ODD behavior. We are baffled about how to discipline him. Take his beloved shoes? Take his furniture? He has no phone now or ipod. He is 15 and 6'2 and has a commanding deep sargeant's voice that he loves to use to say NO MAN! GET OFF ME! GET OUT OF MY FACE! My husband yells at him alot. He yells back. What I want to know is this: What advice would you give me to keep us from going down what I call "the dark road"? He refuses to get in the car to go back to counseling. Is there something I can say that will wake him to what lies ahead? Send him somewhere? How can we get him to want to change his life before we are talking addiction and court dates? When we feel so angry, I tell my husband "these are the good days" because it could be worse. Thanks.