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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 507168" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>They were Department of Juvenile Justice staff- see, it goes from the Department of Juvenile Justice director to 2 different chains. One chain is the people who oversee and run the state facilities where kids are incarcerated after commitment to Department of Juvenile Justice. The other chain is local CSU who handle parole, probation, supervision when ttrying to prevent commitment to state Department of Juvenile Justice or after commmitment to Department of Juvenile Justice. CSU is where things always fall apart. Detention centers are run locally- difficult child is currently in a state Department of Juvenile Justice facility and they are ready to release him and had already signed off on it. PO (local CSU) doesn't want difficult child coming home but that requires a court order- unless it's a step-down, early release initiatve which this wasn't. So because i complained saying it should, by law, require my agreement and PO had only explored one option that was basicly another sentence,and no one seems to know what to do, director over both sides in Department of Juvenile Justice ordered difficult child held while they figure it out and find "placement' once the kid is finished in the facility (incarceration) side unless a parent had already lost parental rights, was incarcerated, or either the parent or kid refuse return home.. OK- the real issue is that they have no legal right to even look for "placement" because difficult child has a parent who's never lost custody and they aren't trying to find a step-down program because those don't add to the sentence. IOW, the stand off is that I have to agree to any placement unless they get a court order and PO's super got livid over it and super and PO dug their heels in that they can order whatever they want without my agreement- no they can't- that just didn't get proven though until 2 days before difficult child's release date when the app showed up saying it requires either court order or parental placement. Further, they sure don't have a right to keep him incarcerated beyond his release date to find something like that- a placement out of the home once the kid finished the sentence requires either parental consent or a court order. They have neither. If they had such a good reason for this, they'd be getting a court order. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't pursued one or if they did they got stopped before it went anywhere.</p><p></p><p>his behavior counselor (who's his primary authoritarian while in there) said this was wrong and the other stuff but told him she could only do so much or say so much because it would cost her the job. Remember- the "direct care" (incarceration side) and the csu (PO) side are completely different. The people in there are acting like they are in agreement with both po and me, to me. I know it's because they work for Department of Juvenile Justice but know on the other side of things- csu- this is messed up. They work with these kids for a year, for instance, with a plan in mind that is supposed to be set in place by the csu side- obviously the csu side botched my son's plan---actually, there never really was a plan in place.</p><p></p><p>PO, by state law AND Department of Juvenile Justice regs, was supposed to do a home check, make sure any MH tx, whatever was in place- all those things DDD expressed concern about before and all those things I complained about not being done- were in place 30-90 days PRIOR to difficult child's release. They weren't done. They were busy digging their heals in that difficult child would go to GH on the pretense they had authority to place difficult child there, yet I was telling them I wasn't in agreement. Did they get a court order for that placement, NO? So now director is ordering difficult child held until they pursue this avenue, which could take weeks. This was all the fault of the local CSU side, not the facility side. Now the facility side is trying to figure out what to do and still keep their jobs.</p><p></p><p>Now the message I'm trying to send to my son is that I agree there's something wrong and it's unfair- but we fight this leglly- if you go ballistic you're only digging yourself in deeper.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 507168, member: 3699"] They were Department of Juvenile Justice staff- see, it goes from the Department of Juvenile Justice director to 2 different chains. One chain is the people who oversee and run the state facilities where kids are incarcerated after commitment to Department of Juvenile Justice. The other chain is local CSU who handle parole, probation, supervision when ttrying to prevent commitment to state Department of Juvenile Justice or after commmitment to Department of Juvenile Justice. CSU is where things always fall apart. Detention centers are run locally- difficult child is currently in a state Department of Juvenile Justice facility and they are ready to release him and had already signed off on it. PO (local CSU) doesn't want difficult child coming home but that requires a court order- unless it's a step-down, early release initiatve which this wasn't. So because i complained saying it should, by law, require my agreement and PO had only explored one option that was basicly another sentence,and no one seems to know what to do, director over both sides in Department of Juvenile Justice ordered difficult child held while they figure it out and find "placement' once the kid is finished in the facility (incarceration) side unless a parent had already lost parental rights, was incarcerated, or either the parent or kid refuse return home.. OK- the real issue is that they have no legal right to even look for "placement" because difficult child has a parent who's never lost custody and they aren't trying to find a step-down program because those don't add to the sentence. IOW, the stand off is that I have to agree to any placement unless they get a court order and PO's super got livid over it and super and PO dug their heels in that they can order whatever they want without my agreement- no they can't- that just didn't get proven though until 2 days before difficult child's release date when the app showed up saying it requires either court order or parental placement. Further, they sure don't have a right to keep him incarcerated beyond his release date to find something like that- a placement out of the home once the kid finished the sentence requires either parental consent or a court order. They have neither. If they had such a good reason for this, they'd be getting a court order. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't pursued one or if they did they got stopped before it went anywhere. his behavior counselor (who's his primary authoritarian while in there) said this was wrong and the other stuff but told him she could only do so much or say so much because it would cost her the job. Remember- the "direct care" (incarceration side) and the csu (PO) side are completely different. The people in there are acting like they are in agreement with both po and me, to me. I know it's because they work for Department of Juvenile Justice but know on the other side of things- csu- this is messed up. They work with these kids for a year, for instance, with a plan in mind that is supposed to be set in place by the csu side- obviously the csu side botched my son's plan---actually, there never really was a plan in place. PO, by state law AND Department of Juvenile Justice regs, was supposed to do a home check, make sure any MH tx, whatever was in place- all those things DDD expressed concern about before and all those things I complained about not being done- were in place 30-90 days PRIOR to difficult child's release. They weren't done. They were busy digging their heals in that difficult child would go to GH on the pretense they had authority to place difficult child there, yet I was telling them I wasn't in agreement. Did they get a court order for that placement, NO? So now director is ordering difficult child held until they pursue this avenue, which could take weeks. This was all the fault of the local CSU side, not the facility side. Now the facility side is trying to figure out what to do and still keep their jobs. Now the message I'm trying to send to my son is that I agree there's something wrong and it's unfair- but we fight this leglly- if you go ballistic you're only digging yourself in deeper. [/QUOTE]
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