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<blockquote data-quote="scent of cedar" data-source="post: 604122" data-attributes="member: 1721"><p>Reality by agreement.</p><p></p><p>This is true. A quick exploration of different cultures proves that we do create, together, a communal reality to define the world and ourselves in it. Here is a strange thing: that cultural exploration could take place in different neighborhoods of the same city. Different mores, different values, different ideas of right and wrong, success and failure.</p><p></p><p>Maybe, it is the overriding need for our chosen reality to be the correct one that is the root cause of the fear response, the root cause of the defensiveness that leads to enmity and war. War does not happen, every time. Sometimes, agreements are reached. For instance, people from the South and people from the North are all Americans, now. No one is certain what that war was <u>really</u> about, or why it happened. But it ended because if it hadn't, this country would have been picked off by a stronger nation, and would have ceased to exist, altogether.</p><p></p><p>Remember the Crusades? </p><p></p><p>Any war, really. </p><p></p><p>What fuels and fires them?</p><p></p><p>I heard something the other day to the effect that John Kennedy said he chose to make going to the moon a goal because it would unite and bring out the best in us. The same person wondered why we had never made eliminating poverty a goal. There is something preventing that. We are spending the money. We are devoting the time and effort in a piecemeal way. But somehow, things are getting worse, and we're all pretty much okay with that. Everyone is blaming everyone for why people keep needing the help that is just enough to keep them where they are. (This discussion was also on Book TV.) </p><p></p><p>Funny how, when you figure something out and write it down, it turns out to be something someone else already said.</p><p></p><p>:O)</p><p></p><p>Purpose is an interesting concept, too. This was the essence of the conversation difficult child and I were having, if you think about it. My purpose is for her to be safe and secure. (And give me something to show off about. :O) Her purpose is something else, altogether.</p><p></p><p></p><p>*************************</p><p></p><p>Ha! Recovering, there was a time when I could pretty much bet that my conclusions/actions/choices were not going to be the "normal" ones. I have tried to choose the strictest, safest paths I know, all my life. There are so many ways for things to be seen or understood. I would determine which of those things was the "correct" one, the "normal" one, and then, would proceed on that basis. It wasn't until everything fell apart and I threw in the towel and did what I wanted ~ challenged myself in ways that were important to me, in other words ~ that I began to trust myself and my judgments.</p><p></p><p>The other way hadn't worked. </p><p></p><p>In my secret heart, I believe we are ALL not normal.</p><p></p><p>Some of us just hide it better than others.</p><p></p><p>*******************************</p><p></p><p>Regarding Einstein's Universal Field of Love.... I think that is the choice and the teaching being presented in most spiritual belief systems ~ that the choice is one between an agape kind of love, or an agape kind of hate. Every artist to whom something wild in us responds, whether the medium be print or paint, sound or stone, reports "just going in" or "just opening up" to the event. </p><p></p><p>Was it Beethoven who was deaf and yet, wrote music which could describe, to the rest of us, what it is to be human?</p><p></p><p>Now, how did that happen.</p><p></p><p>****************</p><p></p><p>But I do know that, sometimes, difficult child is very afraid of what happens in her brain. She has trouble determining which reality is real, trouble knowing whether she is dreaming or awake, trouble knowing how to ride the emotional extremes that come out of nowhere, and change everything.</p><p></p><p>But here is the thing: I am reading 112 Mercer Street: Einstein, Russell, Gödel, Pauli and the End of Innocence in Science. Each of these people was nowhere near "normal" growing up. The respect we give them today has to do with their professional achievements. Who might they have become in our over-labeled, over-medicated, all too permissive modern world? </p><p></p><p>Cedar</p><p></p><p>Thank you for an interesting discussion, Recovering.</p><p></p><p>:O)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scent of cedar, post: 604122, member: 1721"] Reality by agreement. This is true. A quick exploration of different cultures proves that we do create, together, a communal reality to define the world and ourselves in it. Here is a strange thing: that cultural exploration could take place in different neighborhoods of the same city. Different mores, different values, different ideas of right and wrong, success and failure. Maybe, it is the overriding need for our chosen reality to be the correct one that is the root cause of the fear response, the root cause of the defensiveness that leads to enmity and war. War does not happen, every time. Sometimes, agreements are reached. For instance, people from the South and people from the North are all Americans, now. No one is certain what that war was [U]really[/U] about, or why it happened. But it ended because if it hadn't, this country would have been picked off by a stronger nation, and would have ceased to exist, altogether. Remember the Crusades? Any war, really. What fuels and fires them? I heard something the other day to the effect that John Kennedy said he chose to make going to the moon a goal because it would unite and bring out the best in us. The same person wondered why we had never made eliminating poverty a goal. There is something preventing that. We are spending the money. We are devoting the time and effort in a piecemeal way. But somehow, things are getting worse, and we're all pretty much okay with that. Everyone is blaming everyone for why people keep needing the help that is just enough to keep them where they are. (This discussion was also on Book TV.) Funny how, when you figure something out and write it down, it turns out to be something someone else already said. :O) Purpose is an interesting concept, too. This was the essence of the conversation difficult child and I were having, if you think about it. My purpose is for her to be safe and secure. (And give me something to show off about. :O) Her purpose is something else, altogether. ************************* Ha! Recovering, there was a time when I could pretty much bet that my conclusions/actions/choices were not going to be the "normal" ones. I have tried to choose the strictest, safest paths I know, all my life. There are so many ways for things to be seen or understood. I would determine which of those things was the "correct" one, the "normal" one, and then, would proceed on that basis. It wasn't until everything fell apart and I threw in the towel and did what I wanted ~ challenged myself in ways that were important to me, in other words ~ that I began to trust myself and my judgments. The other way hadn't worked. In my secret heart, I believe we are ALL not normal. Some of us just hide it better than others. ******************************* Regarding Einstein's Universal Field of Love.... I think that is the choice and the teaching being presented in most spiritual belief systems ~ that the choice is one between an agape kind of love, or an agape kind of hate. Every artist to whom something wild in us responds, whether the medium be print or paint, sound or stone, reports "just going in" or "just opening up" to the event. Was it Beethoven who was deaf and yet, wrote music which could describe, to the rest of us, what it is to be human? Now, how did that happen. **************** But I do know that, sometimes, difficult child is very afraid of what happens in her brain. She has trouble determining which reality is real, trouble knowing whether she is dreaming or awake, trouble knowing how to ride the emotional extremes that come out of nowhere, and change everything. But here is the thing: I am reading 112 Mercer Street: Einstein, Russell, Gödel, Pauli and the End of Innocence in Science. Each of these people was nowhere near "normal" growing up. The respect we give them today has to do with their professional achievements. Who might they have become in our over-labeled, over-medicated, all too permissive modern world? Cedar Thank you for an interesting discussion, Recovering. :O) [/QUOTE]
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