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<blockquote data-quote="scent of cedar" data-source="post: 604148" data-attributes="member: 1721"><p>You are right, Cdn. I just completed, and lost, my response to your comments. I am going to post what I can remember, because the conclusions I drew had to do with genius accomplishments, and with the speed of scientific advance ~ of advance on every level, really ~ in the past hundred and fifty years or so. </p><p></p><p>And with the strange lack of innovation in the past 50 years or so.</p><p></p><p>And with the question of whether we are (unsuccessfully) drugging our visionaries to "normal," today. (Which might explain, among other things, why, for some reason, we haven't been able to find an alternative to the internal combustion engine.) </p><p></p><p>In the post, I wondered how the parents of the visionaries (and as far as I know, there are, and never have been, any such things as "normal" visionaries) dealt with their difficult child kids. I concluded that they survived it all by what was in that time a more socially acceptable "detaching."</p><p></p><p>It was a great post.</p><p></p><p>:O)</p><p></p><p>I mentioned, in the post, the childhood weirdnesses of those scientists, musicians, writers, etc, who have changed our perceptions of reality. Michealangelo (whose name, for some odd reason, I cannot spell, this morning ~ not in the original posting, and not in this one), poor one-eared Van Gogh, Jung, Freud (self-evident!), Tesla, Twain, Mozart. </p><p></p><p>Einstein.</p><p></p><p>Do any of us know of a visionary in any field who was not, technically, by today's standards, emotionally ill?</p><p></p><p>Mathematicians, maybe. But don't you suppose they could all be placed somewhere in the autism spectrum? And therefore, today, medicated to "normal."</p><p></p><p>What I concluded is that the monied classes loved but were frustrated by their difficult children, but had the wherewithal to educate and support them until they hit their stride or wound up in asylums. Among those without money, the kids weren't educated. They wound up in asylums and poorhouses ~ or, they emigrated.</p><p></p><p>A large percentage of them came here, to America.</p><p></p><p>I am feeling much different about my difficult child daughter, this morning.</p><p></p><p>And very, very much differently about psychiatrists, and psychiatric medications. </p><p></p><p>There was something too, in the post, about what it felt like to go through treatment facility after treatment facility, what it felt like to have our family examined with a fine tooth comb, what it felt like to believe that "they" knew what was wrong (which there obviously was, whether the "experts" could find it or not) and would help us know how to help difficult child ~ only to learn, after way too much money ~ that what they said wasn't true, that what they tried, or told us to try, didn't work, and that, since the time we had paid for was over, so was their interest in, and commitment to, difficult child.</p><p></p><p>The psychiatric medications difficult child is supposed to be taking now change her into a zombie. She isn't seeing visions anymore ~ but then, she isn't seeing much of anything else, either. She no longer takes them. Could this have been the fascination with living on the streets? That, though they might beat her half to death, no one labeled or tried to change her?</p><p></p><p>I wondered whether any of us knew of anyone who had been "cured" by psychiatric medications.</p><p></p><p>Given the sense of "incredible lightness of being" accomplished through the Osteen materials, I wondered too, whether anyone knew of anyone who had been "cured" through a spiritual means. I think we all know, or know of someone, who has.</p><p></p><p>Without psychiatric medications.</p><p></p><p>So anyway, that was the gist of the post.</p><p></p><p>You made an excellent point. Cdn.</p><p></p><p>Cedar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scent of cedar, post: 604148, member: 1721"] You are right, Cdn. I just completed, and lost, my response to your comments. I am going to post what I can remember, because the conclusions I drew had to do with genius accomplishments, and with the speed of scientific advance ~ of advance on every level, really ~ in the past hundred and fifty years or so. And with the strange lack of innovation in the past 50 years or so. And with the question of whether we are (unsuccessfully) drugging our visionaries to "normal," today. (Which might explain, among other things, why, for some reason, we haven't been able to find an alternative to the internal combustion engine.) In the post, I wondered how the parents of the visionaries (and as far as I know, there are, and never have been, any such things as "normal" visionaries) dealt with their difficult child kids. I concluded that they survived it all by what was in that time a more socially acceptable "detaching." It was a great post. :O) I mentioned, in the post, the childhood weirdnesses of those scientists, musicians, writers, etc, who have changed our perceptions of reality. Michealangelo (whose name, for some odd reason, I cannot spell, this morning ~ not in the original posting, and not in this one), poor one-eared Van Gogh, Jung, Freud (self-evident!), Tesla, Twain, Mozart. Einstein. Do any of us know of a visionary in any field who was not, technically, by today's standards, emotionally ill? Mathematicians, maybe. But don't you suppose they could all be placed somewhere in the autism spectrum? And therefore, today, medicated to "normal." What I concluded is that the monied classes loved but were frustrated by their difficult children, but had the wherewithal to educate and support them until they hit their stride or wound up in asylums. Among those without money, the kids weren't educated. They wound up in asylums and poorhouses ~ or, they emigrated. A large percentage of them came here, to America. I am feeling much different about my difficult child daughter, this morning. And very, very much differently about psychiatrists, and psychiatric medications. There was something too, in the post, about what it felt like to go through treatment facility after treatment facility, what it felt like to have our family examined with a fine tooth comb, what it felt like to believe that "they" knew what was wrong (which there obviously was, whether the "experts" could find it or not) and would help us know how to help difficult child ~ only to learn, after way too much money ~ that what they said wasn't true, that what they tried, or told us to try, didn't work, and that, since the time we had paid for was over, so was their interest in, and commitment to, difficult child. The psychiatric medications difficult child is supposed to be taking now change her into a zombie. She isn't seeing visions anymore ~ but then, she isn't seeing much of anything else, either. She no longer takes them. Could this have been the fascination with living on the streets? That, though they might beat her half to death, no one labeled or tried to change her? I wondered whether any of us knew of anyone who had been "cured" by psychiatric medications. Given the sense of "incredible lightness of being" accomplished through the Osteen materials, I wondered too, whether anyone knew of anyone who had been "cured" through a spiritual means. I think we all know, or know of someone, who has. Without psychiatric medications. So anyway, that was the gist of the post. You made an excellent point. Cdn. Cedar [/QUOTE]
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