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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 195855" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Heather, I finally got an email reply from easy child 2/difficult child 2, about anything she can suggest to help your daughter 'embrace' Goth with a bit more common sense as well as individuality. </p><p></p><p>Remember, my girl is now 22, so feel free to remove anything that may or may not be appropriate for your daughter. I've had a look at what she sent to me - I'll send it verbatim, as she sent it to me (although I might censor some of the Aussie slang).</p><p></p><p>If you have any questions, please ask. She's given a particularly good description of how to do makeup to look good but still be individual. Also if you need to, tell your daughter that this is coming from a girl who has worked as a professional performer and actress so she's learnt a lot about make-up and costume. She's also designed and made some of her own clothing when she couldn't get what she wanted in shops.</p><p></p><p>From easy child 2/difficult child 2, addressed to me (Marg):</p><p>"Website is vampfangs.com and I recommend she join the free stuff club if she has her own email (sort of sign up for e-junk mail, but worth it for the specials and stuff, not a lot of free stuff). Aside from that is just checking out whatever the Newtown/Town Hall/ Paddy's equivalents area where she is. Not to mention checking out the jewellery in two dollar stores and keeping an eye on the fashions in the "Fashion" stores. I developed enough of an eye to be able to look through a whole preppy store before the music made me want to murder everyone including my friends. My three most recent buys were from Supre (God save me!) and jewellery from that store "Forever New" which you know are certainly not the stores I would like. Lingerie with the right additions also can look awesome and more tasteful than some of the "Acceptable" outfits (I can look acceptable to my Grandma and BF2's English Grandma ~ rather upright). Bustiers with a black mesh top or a jacket over the top are fantastic, plus watch Charmed for the fashion, some fantastic dos and don'Tourette's Syndrome. If she has any more questions feel free to pick my brains again.</p><p></p><p>"Did you mention the trick of using a stiff, flat brush to create eyeliner out of any colour eyeshadow she wants? Match her eye colour if not black, with a shimmery eye shadow then use the same eyeshadow with a thicker stiff brush..." [she refers here to a good powder eyeshadow compact she and I each have, that has the same colour in three different shades] "...to go over the edge of that and to turn up the outside corners of the eyes (I go from the corner of my eye to near the end of my eyebrow), then use another, slightly paler eye shadow and move in towards the nose. For more eye accentuation, with the first brush and shadow do the turn-up sharper then do the softer.</p><p>V. IMPORTANT ~ A good trick is to do it as heavy as she wants it (usually too heavy to really look good ~ I know) and then brush some of it off with her fingers until the shading is subtle, but still there if you look. It is MUCH more effective than just painting your eyes and half your face around them black."</p><p></p><p>If I can find a photo of her online, in costume, I will post the link so you can show your daughter that you can still look Goth without looking OTT in the face paint department; and without having to look like a trollop. easy child 2/difficult child 2's 'look' tends to be very Victorian, with an eerie twist. </p><p></p><p>I know it seems bizarre to have me as supportive of my daughter's odd tastes, but I found it not only easier to "go with the flow" but also figured, she's going to do this anyway, if I stay 'on side' I can at least steer her to something more conservative when the occasion really demands it. I suspect that if I had really dug my heels in, then she would have been even more extreme and less malleable when it came to dressing a bit more unobtrusively for events like christenings and family weddings.</p><p></p><p>I'm sad sometimes - like today, I was rummaging through the wardrobe where I have some classic garments stored from generations past. One prize piece in there is a broderie anglaise dress I remember from my childhood. There were originally two of them, bought in Paris in the 1950s for my aunt's two daughters (now in their late 60s). These dresses were hand-made from white cotton and voile, with the embroidery done by hand. I remember they were bleached and starched, only kept for absolute best. After my aunt's girls had outgrown them they were handed down to my sisters, who treasured them. Then my turn - I wore this one, the larger one, for my sister's wedding when I was 14. My mother made a burgundy velvet sash to wear round my waist with it. Then I wore it to school (a girls only school) on a day where we had to wear a white dress for a school graduation. I had been anxious, knowing the dress was no longer fashionable; but I needn't have worried. This dress SCREAMS "I am special, I am rare."</p><p></p><p>It would look wonderful on easy child 2/difficult child 2. But when she was 14, there is no way she would even try it on. It wasn't black! </p><p>It would still fit her, it is still beautiful, but in the wardrobe it stays until I have a grandchild old enough to wear it, who will understand its history. It's ironic - I see dresses similar to this (but not as detailed) available in the stores now, for exorbitant prices.</p><p></p><p>Maybe if I lose a bit more weight... although I think I'm a bit too old for the lace and voile Peter Pan collar...</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 195855, member: 1991"] Heather, I finally got an email reply from easy child 2/difficult child 2, about anything she can suggest to help your daughter 'embrace' Goth with a bit more common sense as well as individuality. Remember, my girl is now 22, so feel free to remove anything that may or may not be appropriate for your daughter. I've had a look at what she sent to me - I'll send it verbatim, as she sent it to me (although I might censor some of the Aussie slang). If you have any questions, please ask. She's given a particularly good description of how to do makeup to look good but still be individual. Also if you need to, tell your daughter that this is coming from a girl who has worked as a professional performer and actress so she's learnt a lot about make-up and costume. She's also designed and made some of her own clothing when she couldn't get what she wanted in shops. From easy child 2/difficult child 2, addressed to me (Marg): "Website is vampfangs.com and I recommend she join the free stuff club if she has her own email (sort of sign up for e-junk mail, but worth it for the specials and stuff, not a lot of free stuff). Aside from that is just checking out whatever the Newtown/Town Hall/ Paddy's equivalents area where she is. Not to mention checking out the jewellery in two dollar stores and keeping an eye on the fashions in the "Fashion" stores. I developed enough of an eye to be able to look through a whole preppy store before the music made me want to murder everyone including my friends. My three most recent buys were from Supre (God save me!) and jewellery from that store "Forever New" which you know are certainly not the stores I would like. Lingerie with the right additions also can look awesome and more tasteful than some of the "Acceptable" outfits (I can look acceptable to my Grandma and BF2's English Grandma ~ rather upright). Bustiers with a black mesh top or a jacket over the top are fantastic, plus watch Charmed for the fashion, some fantastic dos and don'Tourette's Syndrome. If she has any more questions feel free to pick my brains again. "Did you mention the trick of using a stiff, flat brush to create eyeliner out of any colour eyeshadow she wants? Match her eye colour if not black, with a shimmery eye shadow then use the same eyeshadow with a thicker stiff brush..." [she refers here to a good powder eyeshadow compact she and I each have, that has the same colour in three different shades] "...to go over the edge of that and to turn up the outside corners of the eyes (I go from the corner of my eye to near the end of my eyebrow), then use another, slightly paler eye shadow and move in towards the nose. For more eye accentuation, with the first brush and shadow do the turn-up sharper then do the softer. V. IMPORTANT ~ A good trick is to do it as heavy as she wants it (usually too heavy to really look good ~ I know) and then brush some of it off with her fingers until the shading is subtle, but still there if you look. It is MUCH more effective than just painting your eyes and half your face around them black." If I can find a photo of her online, in costume, I will post the link so you can show your daughter that you can still look Goth without looking OTT in the face paint department; and without having to look like a trollop. easy child 2/difficult child 2's 'look' tends to be very Victorian, with an eerie twist. I know it seems bizarre to have me as supportive of my daughter's odd tastes, but I found it not only easier to "go with the flow" but also figured, she's going to do this anyway, if I stay 'on side' I can at least steer her to something more conservative when the occasion really demands it. I suspect that if I had really dug my heels in, then she would have been even more extreme and less malleable when it came to dressing a bit more unobtrusively for events like christenings and family weddings. I'm sad sometimes - like today, I was rummaging through the wardrobe where I have some classic garments stored from generations past. One prize piece in there is a broderie anglaise dress I remember from my childhood. There were originally two of them, bought in Paris in the 1950s for my aunt's two daughters (now in their late 60s). These dresses were hand-made from white cotton and voile, with the embroidery done by hand. I remember they were bleached and starched, only kept for absolute best. After my aunt's girls had outgrown them they were handed down to my sisters, who treasured them. Then my turn - I wore this one, the larger one, for my sister's wedding when I was 14. My mother made a burgundy velvet sash to wear round my waist with it. Then I wore it to school (a girls only school) on a day where we had to wear a white dress for a school graduation. I had been anxious, knowing the dress was no longer fashionable; but I needn't have worried. This dress SCREAMS "I am special, I am rare." It would look wonderful on easy child 2/difficult child 2. But when she was 14, there is no way she would even try it on. It wasn't black! It would still fit her, it is still beautiful, but in the wardrobe it stays until I have a grandchild old enough to wear it, who will understand its history. It's ironic - I see dresses similar to this (but not as detailed) available in the stores now, for exorbitant prices. Maybe if I lose a bit more weight... although I think I'm a bit too old for the lace and voile Peter Pan collar... Marg [/QUOTE]
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