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<blockquote data-quote="Scent of Cedar *" data-source="post: 663841" data-attributes="member: 17461"><p>The essential betrayal is to ourselves.... </p><p></p><p>I had not been able to see that, when I first began working with these concepts. If we had seen this true thing sooner, would we have been able to change the currents ~ not just the currents, not just the tendency to see as they see, but the toxicity in the way of seeing. If one of us refuses to buy into the game ~ not as victim, not as victor...what happens, then? What if we were able to have the fact of the thing without ~ I don't know. Without placing ourselves along a hierarchy of values.</p><p></p><p>Would that be what is meant by presence?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel this way about my FOO. At first, this way of thinking seemed an earth shattering revelation, changing everything. But here is the question I am asking this morning: </p><p></p><p>How is it that we took these assessments of our worth to heart when we know better? Not that we are better or worse than, but just the true thing that we are not her. She is not us. We are not an extension of her.</p><p></p><p>Are we seeing from some place of brokenness created in us as infants before separation ~ before we understood that our mothers are not us?</p><p></p><p>Is that what we are trying to heal.</p><p></p><p>That would be a wordless place, because we did not have words, yet.</p><p></p><p>Maybe that explains why we cannot see it, cannot see the broken place.</p><p></p><p>We will just have to trust that it is there then, and that individuation is the name of what we are...is where we will be when we are through this part.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is this describing the nature of the same wound, of the same wordless broken place I have been describing, here?</p><p></p><p>Another learning from The Little Prince regarding those we love. Something about "never listen to the flowers". I recall a time I wrote a piece of poetry <em>whose meaning changed for me over time, causing me to be ashamed.</em> I realized this morning that the writing of it was true. <em>It was the change over time, the believing what I might have meant instead of what I know I meant that is the betrayal of self. Negative self talk come from...where?</em></p><p></p><p>That is how we do this to ourselves.</p><p></p><p>That is the essential betrayal. That is how it happens. Copa. Whose voice is it telling you, whose voice is it, changing what you know about how you behaved when you went to your mother's side?</p><p></p><p>Is it your own, Copa.</p><p></p><p>Did we make a mistake somewhere in translating through that broken place where we are not individuated yet and are we extrapolating a death wish that was never the mother's intent <em>or that was the mother's own wounding, come from who knows how many generations past and passed down to us</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You did not do this to your child, Copa. </p><p></p><p>Cedar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scent of Cedar *, post: 663841, member: 17461"] The essential betrayal is to ourselves.... I had not been able to see that, when I first began working with these concepts. If we had seen this true thing sooner, would we have been able to change the currents ~ not just the currents, not just the tendency to see as they see, but the toxicity in the way of seeing. If one of us refuses to buy into the game ~ not as victim, not as victor...what happens, then? What if we were able to have the fact of the thing without ~ I don't know. Without placing ourselves along a hierarchy of values. Would that be what is meant by presence? I feel this way about my FOO. At first, this way of thinking seemed an earth shattering revelation, changing everything. But here is the question I am asking this morning: How is it that we took these assessments of our worth to heart when we know better? Not that we are better or worse than, but just the true thing that we are not her. She is not us. We are not an extension of her. Are we seeing from some place of brokenness created in us as infants before separation ~ before we understood that our mothers are not us? Is that what we are trying to heal. That would be a wordless place, because we did not have words, yet. Maybe that explains why we cannot see it, cannot see the broken place. We will just have to trust that it is there then, and that individuation is the name of what we are...is where we will be when we are through this part. Is this describing the nature of the same wound, of the same wordless broken place I have been describing, here? Another learning from The Little Prince regarding those we love. Something about "never listen to the flowers". I recall a time I wrote a piece of poetry [I]whose meaning changed for me over time, causing me to be ashamed.[/I] I realized this morning that the writing of it was true. [I]It was the change over time, the believing what I might have meant instead of what I know I meant that is the betrayal of self. Negative self talk come from...where?[/I] That is how we do this to ourselves. That is the essential betrayal. That is how it happens. Copa. Whose voice is it telling you, whose voice is it, changing what you know about how you behaved when you went to your mother's side? Is it your own, Copa. Did we make a mistake somewhere in translating through that broken place where we are not individuated yet and are we extrapolating a death wish that was never the mother's intent [I]or that was the mother's own wounding, come from who knows how many generations past and passed down to us[/I]. You did not do this to your child, Copa. Cedar [/QUOTE]
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