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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 331769" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>EW I feel for you. I don't know if I just think "old-school" in this area or if this is a biased, layman's (and parent's) opinion, but I think it's a reflection of how much our whole society has changed from years passed. I do agree that some of those changes were good and warranted but it appears to me that our society just goes from one extreme to another.</p><p></p><p>I for one think discipline needs to be put back in schools, but appropriate discipline that still takes into consideration that some kids need a different approach to things in order to thrive. I also think parents need backing. It seems to me that everyone's answer around my jurisdiction anyway is to involve the legal system because the schools nor the parents have appropriate backing to keep kids on the right track and it's left both school personnel and parents frustrated and pointing the finger at each other.</p><p></p><p>Now, I would never condone going to extreme with punishments like a small percentage of people did, or trying to teach all students like they all can fit into the same mold, but just because a small percentage of people could never get it, it seems like everything turned to chaos.</p><p></p><p>By the time my son was in 3rd grade here are lessons he had learned, which was dictated by our school board and government: 1) The parent had no right to touch a child and if they did, the child was to tell someone at school and the parent would be in trouble, 2) The school personnel was not allowed to tell a child to write sentences as a punishment or stay after school if they did something wrong because they was determined to be inappropriate punishment; the school could, however, have a child arrested, 3) It is highly unlikely that authority figures across the different spectrums (parents, school, legal authorities) will agree on any issue pertaining to a minor, much less back each other up, so any minor who gets into trouble will see chaos instead of a "wall" of disapproval.</p><p></p><p>Like I say, this might just be my pessimistic, biased perspective but with my experience with my son, the way things are sure have lead him to have more problems, not less.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 331769, member: 3699"] EW I feel for you. I don't know if I just think "old-school" in this area or if this is a biased, layman's (and parent's) opinion, but I think it's a reflection of how much our whole society has changed from years passed. I do agree that some of those changes were good and warranted but it appears to me that our society just goes from one extreme to another. I for one think discipline needs to be put back in schools, but appropriate discipline that still takes into consideration that some kids need a different approach to things in order to thrive. I also think parents need backing. It seems to me that everyone's answer around my jurisdiction anyway is to involve the legal system because the schools nor the parents have appropriate backing to keep kids on the right track and it's left both school personnel and parents frustrated and pointing the finger at each other. Now, I would never condone going to extreme with punishments like a small percentage of people did, or trying to teach all students like they all can fit into the same mold, but just because a small percentage of people could never get it, it seems like everything turned to chaos. By the time my son was in 3rd grade here are lessons he had learned, which was dictated by our school board and government: 1) The parent had no right to touch a child and if they did, the child was to tell someone at school and the parent would be in trouble, 2) The school personnel was not allowed to tell a child to write sentences as a punishment or stay after school if they did something wrong because they was determined to be inappropriate punishment; the school could, however, have a child arrested, 3) It is highly unlikely that authority figures across the different spectrums (parents, school, legal authorities) will agree on any issue pertaining to a minor, much less back each other up, so any minor who gets into trouble will see chaos instead of a "wall" of disapproval. Like I say, this might just be my pessimistic, biased perspective but with my experience with my son, the way things are sure have lead him to have more problems, not less. [/QUOTE]
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