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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 340261" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>OK, don't dump on me here, but while I found what she did absolutely appalling from so many angles - she IS entitled to justice. A good legal system should be able to give her that justice. The worst murderer in the world is always entitled to the same justice as the most innocent who has been wrongly accused. If the justice system is good, then justice will prevail.</p><p></p><p>But to deny her justice that SHE feels she's entitled to, even if we do not, is to damage the justice system that we desperately need, to deal with people like this. Because if one day we do the wrong thing or are accused, while innocent, of having done the wrong thing, we will need a good justice system.</p><p></p><p>I think the fear is, that she won't get justice, she will instead get leniency (which many of us feel would be an outrage).</p><p></p><p>So much of the story as we have been told it, is appalling. She now claims it was an abusive marriage - so why kill the boys? Did she stay in the car with them to also kill herself? No. The only times I've seen parents kill their kids after they've been in an abusive relationship, the parent kills the kids first because they intend to kill themselves and don't want to let the kids fall into the hands of the abuser; they can't see any way out. I don't see that in this case.</p><p></p><p>As I recall the story, she had left her husband (or was in the process of leaving him) and had another lover who didn't want the boys. So suddenly the boys were in the way, so she got rid of them, like you'd get rid of a litter of kittens (if the animal welfare people didn't see you do it). That is not the behaviour of a battered wife.</p><p></p><p>A genuine battered wife clings to the kids. They either become mother tigers and do whatever they have to do, to protect their kids and keep them safe. Or as I said before, they do the murder suicide thing, to go out TOGETHER because they feel so incredibly helpless. Her ability to make up a story about the car-jacker - sorry, it just doesn't fit with what a woman would do, if she were a battered wife trying to get away from her abusive ex. You don't kill the kids and leave yourself an even bigger target, going home with your abuser but this time without the kids as buffer or witness. I can't recall if she actually went back with the father of the kids (while her story was still being believed by some, anyway) but even if she didn't, she had made such a noise, that there was no way she could quietly disappear or go into hiding from her ex if she was afraid of him. No, everyone would have known where she was. Including the alleged abuser.</p><p></p><p>And if she was a battered wife and her husband was abusive, then why didn't she immediately say, "HE did it!" Even if he didn't. Because she HAD to make up a story, everyone agrees she made up a story - why, if she was abused, would she not implicate the abuser? It would have been an ideal opportunity.</p><p></p><p>And she didn't. No, she had to invent "the bogeyman".</p><p></p><p>She has had plenty of time to tell a more truthful story. </p><p></p><p>And now she has found religion. I am constantly amazed at how court systems in various parts of the world are believed to be influenced by this. We had an Aussie model who was found with a couple of ecstasy pills on her in Bali (a big no-no) and she was able to get herself extricated from this a number of concurrent ways, one of which was to (temporarily) embrace Islam and begin wearing a burkah. As she said later (as she flew home and was met by the media, who saw her back in model personal wearing revealing clothes) you do what you have to do, to get out of it.</p><p></p><p>I think that is happening here. As someone else said - she could be bored. Hey, it passes the time. If you appeal or get a retrial, you are once more the focus of attention. People listen to what you say. The media are interested. You get a few outings away from the same four walls. You get new clothes to wear for those outings (even if you have to give them back). You get your picture in the paper, your story told. You could even get a book deal or a movie deal. She would want to play herself. Or choose someone attractive to play her. Of course she would want creative control. Even before then, a chance to talk to Oprah.</p><p></p><p>And of course, she probably wants to get out while she's still young enough to have more kids. She probably loves kids. They bring more attention. OK, the reality of looking after them is mind-numbingly boring but if you make enough money form the book deal, you'll only need to cuddle them in public like Brangelina...</p><p></p><p>I wonder if the media exposure that Nadia Sulieman has got, is a factor in this decision to re-run her case? Think about the timing of this... she sees the coverage, thinks (as the coverage increases and especially once Dr Phil gets involved), "I can do this. I DESERVE to do this. My story is bigger than hers."</p><p>Then it takes a few more months to get something cobbled together enough to find a defence attorney willing to take on her case, someone who thinks, "We could have a chance."</p><p></p><p>But whatever the story, whatever the reason, it MUST be allowed to run its course. Justice must prevail.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes I really envy the Indonesian justice system, and their willingness to increase a sentence on appeal, should they choose to get offended at the affrontery of the case. Sometimes... but then, I don't think that is necessarily justice, either. It's closer to revenge.</p><p></p><p>I'll be watching with interest. But I won't be picketing. Because I suspect she will be getting off on the attention, will probably say, "poor little me, after being abused all those years and now being in isolation because of threats - it is horrible to live with people wanting to hurt me. Take pity on me!"</p><p></p><p>Much better if the media said, "Susan who?"</p><p></p><p>That would be closer to true justice.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 340261, member: 1991"] OK, don't dump on me here, but while I found what she did absolutely appalling from so many angles - she IS entitled to justice. A good legal system should be able to give her that justice. The worst murderer in the world is always entitled to the same justice as the most innocent who has been wrongly accused. If the justice system is good, then justice will prevail. But to deny her justice that SHE feels she's entitled to, even if we do not, is to damage the justice system that we desperately need, to deal with people like this. Because if one day we do the wrong thing or are accused, while innocent, of having done the wrong thing, we will need a good justice system. I think the fear is, that she won't get justice, she will instead get leniency (which many of us feel would be an outrage). So much of the story as we have been told it, is appalling. She now claims it was an abusive marriage - so why kill the boys? Did she stay in the car with them to also kill herself? No. The only times I've seen parents kill their kids after they've been in an abusive relationship, the parent kills the kids first because they intend to kill themselves and don't want to let the kids fall into the hands of the abuser; they can't see any way out. I don't see that in this case. As I recall the story, she had left her husband (or was in the process of leaving him) and had another lover who didn't want the boys. So suddenly the boys were in the way, so she got rid of them, like you'd get rid of a litter of kittens (if the animal welfare people didn't see you do it). That is not the behaviour of a battered wife. A genuine battered wife clings to the kids. They either become mother tigers and do whatever they have to do, to protect their kids and keep them safe. Or as I said before, they do the murder suicide thing, to go out TOGETHER because they feel so incredibly helpless. Her ability to make up a story about the car-jacker - sorry, it just doesn't fit with what a woman would do, if she were a battered wife trying to get away from her abusive ex. You don't kill the kids and leave yourself an even bigger target, going home with your abuser but this time without the kids as buffer or witness. I can't recall if she actually went back with the father of the kids (while her story was still being believed by some, anyway) but even if she didn't, she had made such a noise, that there was no way she could quietly disappear or go into hiding from her ex if she was afraid of him. No, everyone would have known where she was. Including the alleged abuser. And if she was a battered wife and her husband was abusive, then why didn't she immediately say, "HE did it!" Even if he didn't. Because she HAD to make up a story, everyone agrees she made up a story - why, if she was abused, would she not implicate the abuser? It would have been an ideal opportunity. And she didn't. No, she had to invent "the bogeyman". She has had plenty of time to tell a more truthful story. And now she has found religion. I am constantly amazed at how court systems in various parts of the world are believed to be influenced by this. We had an Aussie model who was found with a couple of ecstasy pills on her in Bali (a big no-no) and she was able to get herself extricated from this a number of concurrent ways, one of which was to (temporarily) embrace Islam and begin wearing a burkah. As she said later (as she flew home and was met by the media, who saw her back in model personal wearing revealing clothes) you do what you have to do, to get out of it. I think that is happening here. As someone else said - she could be bored. Hey, it passes the time. If you appeal or get a retrial, you are once more the focus of attention. People listen to what you say. The media are interested. You get a few outings away from the same four walls. You get new clothes to wear for those outings (even if you have to give them back). You get your picture in the paper, your story told. You could even get a book deal or a movie deal. She would want to play herself. Or choose someone attractive to play her. Of course she would want creative control. Even before then, a chance to talk to Oprah. And of course, she probably wants to get out while she's still young enough to have more kids. She probably loves kids. They bring more attention. OK, the reality of looking after them is mind-numbingly boring but if you make enough money form the book deal, you'll only need to cuddle them in public like Brangelina... I wonder if the media exposure that Nadia Sulieman has got, is a factor in this decision to re-run her case? Think about the timing of this... she sees the coverage, thinks (as the coverage increases and especially once Dr Phil gets involved), "I can do this. I DESERVE to do this. My story is bigger than hers." Then it takes a few more months to get something cobbled together enough to find a defence attorney willing to take on her case, someone who thinks, "We could have a chance." But whatever the story, whatever the reason, it MUST be allowed to run its course. Justice must prevail. Sometimes I really envy the Indonesian justice system, and their willingness to increase a sentence on appeal, should they choose to get offended at the affrontery of the case. Sometimes... but then, I don't think that is necessarily justice, either. It's closer to revenge. I'll be watching with interest. But I won't be picketing. Because I suspect she will be getting off on the attention, will probably say, "poor little me, after being abused all those years and now being in isolation because of threats - it is horrible to live with people wanting to hurt me. Take pity on me!" Much better if the media said, "Susan who?" That would be closer to true justice. Marg [/QUOTE]
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