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<blockquote data-quote="SuZir" data-source="post: 667591" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>My life is currently very hectic due things not related to Ache, so it helps that I can't worry about him all the time. That is also a reason it took this long to get back to your messages.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile Ache has calmed down a bit, there has been better days with him but also a new more confused and disorderly night. They have managed to quiet down anything leaking out on the public, but while that protects his reputation it of course help much other wise. </p><p></p><p>He is still not talking to us and is angry, but is starting to waiver. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He is all over the place and it really depends from his mood. There has been times, not many but some, I have seen him so desperate, broken and fragile that I can easily imagine him taking his own life. Luckily he has at those times also been so exhausted he has not have had strength to do it. </p><p></p><p>However even more worrying is his impulsivity. His half-arsed suicide attempt (the time he decided mid fly, he didn't want to die after all and got extremely lucky and made it) was mostly product of impulsiveness. Short very bad moment, opportunity and before he knew it, he was in the air. Resentment, impulsivity, passive-aggressiveness, those he has in bounds and together they could lead to tragedy. </p><p></p><p>Us and people around him being very worried about this is to be expected. Suicides are way more common in our culture than yours and Ache has many of the typical characteristics for young men who end up killing themselves. Of course most of the young men like that do not, but considering that here everyone has a friend of family member or at least school or workmate or neighbour who has committed suicide, we tend to be rather sensitive to certain red flags. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ache will vehemently deny it, but he is scared to death. He tries to explain to himself he has never been better, never been happier, never been more positive and above all the mundane worries of other people, but he is absolutely frightened. i can see that from his eyes, people with him see it from his body language and has mentioned it to us. He is dead scared.</p><p></p><p>His suicidal ideation is not much of the secret. Ache currently denies it afterwards, but when disorientated he was open about it to quite a few people and half of those called us and other half called his bosses/their medical staff. </p><p></p><p>The most disorientated couple of days I was sure this was manic psychosis. He was SO out of it, babbling (in social media) nonsense and stream of consciousness, all over the place mood wise. From top of the world to that suicidal ideation and paranoia. However even during that he was able to convince authorities that he was not psychotic and needing treatment for his own benefit nor danger to himself or others, so he could get some control over himself even when his writings looked anything but. He was also able to gain quite a lot of control before their next practise. These worst couple days were spiced with some substance abuse but in reality stuff he admits taking (and his tox screens have been clean during all this time, they have taken quite a few) simply shouldn't cause that type of incoherence and certainly not for that long. In fact also last pout of incoherent behaviour was fuelled with substances, but it was two beers according to people who were with him all evening. Ache is a big guy with ability to burn alcohol quickly. Two beers do not take him even close to legal driving limit and are out of his system in three hours or less. He was very incoherent also this time for several hours. </p><p></p><p>Mania certainly is a possibility. I have it in my family and Ache has a type of personality I have often associated with bipolar. However he seems to do okay at times, be even almost normal and then there are these confused periods. To my understanding that is not typical to mania. And again, his dissociative symptoms have been rather extreme also in the past and they have been anxiety based. But I really do not know.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Outwards it looks a lot like extreme teenage rebellion. As I said, he seems somehow very young and this is part of that. How he expresses himself could be from the mouth of the very angry 14-year-old. And he has put up every sign of rebellion he have been able to think of, or at least it looks like it. </p><p></p><p>But that kind of rebellion does not make sense and it is very difficult to understand what motivates it. If he doesn't want to do what he is doing (despite everything he has ever said), he can just up and leave anytime. No one would stop him. It has always been his own internal drive, not outside factors that have kept him going. </p><p></p><p>He claims to have total self-control and he claims to be very aware of consequences and making choices with his own free will. i don't believe in second. He is totally out of control at times and between those times rationalises how what he said or what happened was actually a deliberate choice.</p><p></p><p>Self-sabotaging is always a possibility with him. Not in concious level but subconsciously. But why now? And being this lost?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm really afraid this could be big part of what is going on with Ache.</p><p></p><p>even if, just now, it seems he is doing bit better again. He is sharper, more cognitively there, more focused to 'normal things.' Paying attentions to how his friends are doing, what is happening around him. His last social media etc. doesn't look so young any more, they say he is actually doing well in practises and so on. But this could be just the lull between the storms.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuZir, post: 667591, member: 14557"] My life is currently very hectic due things not related to Ache, so it helps that I can't worry about him all the time. That is also a reason it took this long to get back to your messages. Meanwhile Ache has calmed down a bit, there has been better days with him but also a new more confused and disorderly night. They have managed to quiet down anything leaking out on the public, but while that protects his reputation it of course help much other wise. He is still not talking to us and is angry, but is starting to waiver. He is all over the place and it really depends from his mood. There has been times, not many but some, I have seen him so desperate, broken and fragile that I can easily imagine him taking his own life. Luckily he has at those times also been so exhausted he has not have had strength to do it. However even more worrying is his impulsivity. His half-arsed suicide attempt (the time he decided mid fly, he didn't want to die after all and got extremely lucky and made it) was mostly product of impulsiveness. Short very bad moment, opportunity and before he knew it, he was in the air. Resentment, impulsivity, passive-aggressiveness, those he has in bounds and together they could lead to tragedy. Us and people around him being very worried about this is to be expected. Suicides are way more common in our culture than yours and Ache has many of the typical characteristics for young men who end up killing themselves. Of course most of the young men like that do not, but considering that here everyone has a friend of family member or at least school or workmate or neighbour who has committed suicide, we tend to be rather sensitive to certain red flags. Ache will vehemently deny it, but he is scared to death. He tries to explain to himself he has never been better, never been happier, never been more positive and above all the mundane worries of other people, but he is absolutely frightened. i can see that from his eyes, people with him see it from his body language and has mentioned it to us. He is dead scared. His suicidal ideation is not much of the secret. Ache currently denies it afterwards, but when disorientated he was open about it to quite a few people and half of those called us and other half called his bosses/their medical staff. The most disorientated couple of days I was sure this was manic psychosis. He was SO out of it, babbling (in social media) nonsense and stream of consciousness, all over the place mood wise. From top of the world to that suicidal ideation and paranoia. However even during that he was able to convince authorities that he was not psychotic and needing treatment for his own benefit nor danger to himself or others, so he could get some control over himself even when his writings looked anything but. He was also able to gain quite a lot of control before their next practise. These worst couple days were spiced with some substance abuse but in reality stuff he admits taking (and his tox screens have been clean during all this time, they have taken quite a few) simply shouldn't cause that type of incoherence and certainly not for that long. In fact also last pout of incoherent behaviour was fuelled with substances, but it was two beers according to people who were with him all evening. Ache is a big guy with ability to burn alcohol quickly. Two beers do not take him even close to legal driving limit and are out of his system in three hours or less. He was very incoherent also this time for several hours. Mania certainly is a possibility. I have it in my family and Ache has a type of personality I have often associated with bipolar. However he seems to do okay at times, be even almost normal and then there are these confused periods. To my understanding that is not typical to mania. And again, his dissociative symptoms have been rather extreme also in the past and they have been anxiety based. But I really do not know. Outwards it looks a lot like extreme teenage rebellion. As I said, he seems somehow very young and this is part of that. How he expresses himself could be from the mouth of the very angry 14-year-old. And he has put up every sign of rebellion he have been able to think of, or at least it looks like it. But that kind of rebellion does not make sense and it is very difficult to understand what motivates it. If he doesn't want to do what he is doing (despite everything he has ever said), he can just up and leave anytime. No one would stop him. It has always been his own internal drive, not outside factors that have kept him going. He claims to have total self-control and he claims to be very aware of consequences and making choices with his own free will. i don't believe in second. He is totally out of control at times and between those times rationalises how what he said or what happened was actually a deliberate choice. Self-sabotaging is always a possibility with him. Not in concious level but subconsciously. But why now? And being this lost? I'm really afraid this could be big part of what is going on with Ache. even if, just now, it seems he is doing bit better again. He is sharper, more cognitively there, more focused to 'normal things.' Paying attentions to how his friends are doing, what is happening around him. His last social media etc. doesn't look so young any more, they say he is actually doing well in practises and so on. But this could be just the lull between the storms. [/QUOTE]
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