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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 446185" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>I wonder if the vyvanse might be contributing to some of this. I know the adhd has to be addressed, but sometimes stims cause as many problems as they help. I notice mood disorder on his list of diagnosis. Do you think he has ever truly been stable mood-wise? Has he ever been without a stimulant? </p><p></p><p>I am sure you probably have read The Bipolar Child and have seen the medication protocol, but re-reading it might give you some helpful ideas. It is my understanding from the book and other books that some people have to have ALL of the medications taken out before they can be stabilized. The presence of ANY antidepressant, stimulant, decongestant, etc... can keep the mood stabilizers from being able to work. Hard as it is, and it seems almost totally impossible unless you can get him into a hospital or Residential Treatment Center (RTC) for an extended period, it can take six WEEKS after tapering all medications off to completely clear them from the system. Much as this may be ideal, I just don't know how anyone would be able to do it. I know that with Wiz we never did a medication wash. Not a full one. He was never manic but without medications was just too dangerously depressed. </p><p></p><p>I probably wouldn't even push for a full medication wash, but would think about the medications carefully. It may take TWO different mood stabilizers and an antipsychotic like abilify to fully stabilize his moods. Then other medications are slowly added in to treat any symptoms not cleared up by stabilizing the moods. </p><p></p><p>When I first joined this family there were a few members who told everyone about this protocol over and over. After a while some of the members here who have bipolar themselves gave it a try. I can think of at least 2 by name and 3 others by situation who pushed to change their medications to be on just the mood stabilizers and antipsychotics until those were right. Often it took a lot of work to get the psychiatrist to give it a try. They have all come back and said that it made a huge difference, bigger than they ever dreamed, better than they ever dreamed to change the medications to get the antidepressants (esp SSRI/SNRI medications) and stims out of their body, to find the right mood stabilizer or two and antipsychotic combination. Some of them didn't need other medications at all for quite a while. Of course over time things needed tweaking, but the change to the protocol made a giant difference. </p><p></p><p>When those members were able to get their children changed to the medication protocol they saw real differences though it did take time to find the right mix of the right medications. I know I push this protocol here quite a lot. It may seem odd because I don't have a relative with bipolar except my exsil, so why do I remember it and why do I push it so often? One of my mom's best friends has 2 children with bipolar. I have seen the devastation that they have all endured as a family, esp the grandson who is about Wiz thank you's age. It just breaks my heart because I went to school with the children and their difficult child of an older stepsis. They were truly easy child's, smart, funny, really sweet and loving people. Their bipolar hit after they were in college and the change was dramatic. I hate to think of so many people with the problem, esp the kids who have limited say in what medications they take, who are taking medication combinations that research has shown to make the disorder worse. </p><p></p><p>I hope you can get a handle on the fire-setting. Is there a chance it is more than impulsivity? Some cases of pyromania seem to be anxiety related, at least what I can remember right now. Could he be playing with fire more or feeling an urge to play with fire when anxiety is worse? Are the therapist and psychiatrist addressing anxiety in any way with him? I know your husband has addiction issues, would some therapy for children of addicts be useful for him now? Or do the docs think he is still too young?</p><p></p><p>I hope tomorrow is more peaceful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 446185, member: 1233"] I wonder if the vyvanse might be contributing to some of this. I know the adhd has to be addressed, but sometimes stims cause as many problems as they help. I notice mood disorder on his list of diagnosis. Do you think he has ever truly been stable mood-wise? Has he ever been without a stimulant? I am sure you probably have read The Bipolar Child and have seen the medication protocol, but re-reading it might give you some helpful ideas. It is my understanding from the book and other books that some people have to have ALL of the medications taken out before they can be stabilized. The presence of ANY antidepressant, stimulant, decongestant, etc... can keep the mood stabilizers from being able to work. Hard as it is, and it seems almost totally impossible unless you can get him into a hospital or Residential Treatment Center (RTC) for an extended period, it can take six WEEKS after tapering all medications off to completely clear them from the system. Much as this may be ideal, I just don't know how anyone would be able to do it. I know that with Wiz we never did a medication wash. Not a full one. He was never manic but without medications was just too dangerously depressed. I probably wouldn't even push for a full medication wash, but would think about the medications carefully. It may take TWO different mood stabilizers and an antipsychotic like abilify to fully stabilize his moods. Then other medications are slowly added in to treat any symptoms not cleared up by stabilizing the moods. When I first joined this family there were a few members who told everyone about this protocol over and over. After a while some of the members here who have bipolar themselves gave it a try. I can think of at least 2 by name and 3 others by situation who pushed to change their medications to be on just the mood stabilizers and antipsychotics until those were right. Often it took a lot of work to get the psychiatrist to give it a try. They have all come back and said that it made a huge difference, bigger than they ever dreamed, better than they ever dreamed to change the medications to get the antidepressants (esp SSRI/SNRI medications) and stims out of their body, to find the right mood stabilizer or two and antipsychotic combination. Some of them didn't need other medications at all for quite a while. Of course over time things needed tweaking, but the change to the protocol made a giant difference. When those members were able to get their children changed to the medication protocol they saw real differences though it did take time to find the right mix of the right medications. I know I push this protocol here quite a lot. It may seem odd because I don't have a relative with bipolar except my exsil, so why do I remember it and why do I push it so often? One of my mom's best friends has 2 children with bipolar. I have seen the devastation that they have all endured as a family, esp the grandson who is about Wiz thank you's age. It just breaks my heart because I went to school with the children and their difficult child of an older stepsis. They were truly easy child's, smart, funny, really sweet and loving people. Their bipolar hit after they were in college and the change was dramatic. I hate to think of so many people with the problem, esp the kids who have limited say in what medications they take, who are taking medication combinations that research has shown to make the disorder worse. I hope you can get a handle on the fire-setting. Is there a chance it is more than impulsivity? Some cases of pyromania seem to be anxiety related, at least what I can remember right now. Could he be playing with fire more or feeling an urge to play with fire when anxiety is worse? Are the therapist and psychiatrist addressing anxiety in any way with him? I know your husband has addiction issues, would some therapy for children of addicts be useful for him now? Or do the docs think he is still too young? I hope tomorrow is more peaceful. [/QUOTE]
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