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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 332312" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>Welcome! I am glad to meet you and sorry you had to find us!</p><p></p><p>It sounds like you ahve a lot on your plate. I am sure, if I were to explain all I have encountered and how I reacted to it, that I would have an aspie or autistic spectrum disorder diagnosis. I don't find it useful or helpful to seek that out, so I have never bothered with it. I did have many many decades where I looked at what same age peers were doing and could NOT figure out why they wanted to. I have NEVER understood why people are interested in most sports, esp those with balls. I just do not understand the attraction, even when I understand the game. I was always the parent with a book or magazine open during soccer practice and games. I tried to watch, but it was boring and annoying. I did cheer when others did, and always brought snacks, and even made pennants and hair ties for the kids' teams. (I married the son of a football coach who loves sports. Mostly because I love him and partly so my kids would have a prayer in this sports obsessed world we live in, LOL!).</p><p></p><p>I would take the CD out of the equation for many years to come. Until the last year or two a person had to be 18 to be diagnosed. A conduct disorder diagnosis will not help you figure out appropriate treatment and it may close some doors as people will think your son is too far gone to be helped. This is NOT the case with as young as he is.</p><p></p><p>Many of the separate diagnosis's are part of the autism diagnosis. The docs gave my son ADHD and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) diagnosis's on top of the Aspergers. His Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is way beyond what many Aspies experience or so I am told. Mostly these are added in to get insurance to pay out more money more readily. So they load all the separate diagnosis's on a kid and make it hard for a parent to figure out what to tackle first. Just in my opinion, of course.</p><p></p><p>Is your son getting brushing therapy for the Sensory Integration Disorder (SID)? If not then he NEEDS this. You may need a private Occupational Therapist (OT) assessment to find this. School OTs test for what impacts education, not what impacts the rest of his life. You will be taught the brushing technique (uses a soft surgical scrub brush to brush the body in a certain pattern followed by very gentle joint compressions) and told how often to do it. Brushing is one of a very few therapies that are non-medication and create new pathways in the brain, actually create new ways for the brain to handle sensory input. It can take months to see any results, but the results will come and are worth the wait. At four my youngest could not sit through even 20 minutes of a church service. He wanted to - he loved church. He couldn't handle the music and the volume. After 6 months of brushing he was sitting up front and staying for the whole service. At a year he was going to Catholic Mass with my husband and the Episcopal Sunday School AND service at the church we attend. (LONG story about the 2 churches. My husband's choice basically.) He still does that and LOVES it. Never misses a week.</p><p></p><p>Get a copy of The Out of Sync Child Has Fun. It is packed iwth activities that will provide teh sensory diet your child needs. It also is packed with ways to make those activities cheaply or for free. The activities your son hates are generally ones that are not good for what he needs. The ones he likes will help you figure out the sensory diet he needs.</p><p></p><p>Do the same for your daughter. If you learn brushing from an Occupational Therapist (OT) for your son, then you can also do it on your daughter. Often they like to work with kids under 8 for Sensory Integration Disorder (SID). I used the brushing on thank you but also on my older 2. They each had marked improvement in school, felt better about themselves and were a LOT less "quirky". They find brushing very soothing.</p><p></p><p>We recommend a book called The Explosive Child by Ross Greene. It is a technique that most of us have come to rely upon to discipline our children. If you go to the Early Childhood forum there is a sticky at the top of the list of threads that will help you adjust The Explosive Child to kids 5 and younger. </p><p></p><p>I am glad to meet you here, and hope to get to know you better! Could you please go to the User CP button at the top of the page and make a signature like you see at the bottom of my post? No real first names, no last names or dates of birth, for safety's sake, please. The signature helps us keep your details straight so we don't suggest you do something that would not help your children. We get befuzzled sometimes, LOL.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 332312, member: 1233"] Welcome! I am glad to meet you and sorry you had to find us! It sounds like you ahve a lot on your plate. I am sure, if I were to explain all I have encountered and how I reacted to it, that I would have an aspie or autistic spectrum disorder diagnosis. I don't find it useful or helpful to seek that out, so I have never bothered with it. I did have many many decades where I looked at what same age peers were doing and could NOT figure out why they wanted to. I have NEVER understood why people are interested in most sports, esp those with balls. I just do not understand the attraction, even when I understand the game. I was always the parent with a book or magazine open during soccer practice and games. I tried to watch, but it was boring and annoying. I did cheer when others did, and always brought snacks, and even made pennants and hair ties for the kids' teams. (I married the son of a football coach who loves sports. Mostly because I love him and partly so my kids would have a prayer in this sports obsessed world we live in, LOL!). I would take the CD out of the equation for many years to come. Until the last year or two a person had to be 18 to be diagnosed. A conduct disorder diagnosis will not help you figure out appropriate treatment and it may close some doors as people will think your son is too far gone to be helped. This is NOT the case with as young as he is. Many of the separate diagnosis's are part of the autism diagnosis. The docs gave my son ADHD and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) diagnosis's on top of the Aspergers. His Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is way beyond what many Aspies experience or so I am told. Mostly these are added in to get insurance to pay out more money more readily. So they load all the separate diagnosis's on a kid and make it hard for a parent to figure out what to tackle first. Just in my opinion, of course. Is your son getting brushing therapy for the Sensory Integration Disorder (SID)? If not then he NEEDS this. You may need a private Occupational Therapist (OT) assessment to find this. School OTs test for what impacts education, not what impacts the rest of his life. You will be taught the brushing technique (uses a soft surgical scrub brush to brush the body in a certain pattern followed by very gentle joint compressions) and told how often to do it. Brushing is one of a very few therapies that are non-medication and create new pathways in the brain, actually create new ways for the brain to handle sensory input. It can take months to see any results, but the results will come and are worth the wait. At four my youngest could not sit through even 20 minutes of a church service. He wanted to - he loved church. He couldn't handle the music and the volume. After 6 months of brushing he was sitting up front and staying for the whole service. At a year he was going to Catholic Mass with my husband and the Episcopal Sunday School AND service at the church we attend. (LONG story about the 2 churches. My husband's choice basically.) He still does that and LOVES it. Never misses a week. Get a copy of The Out of Sync Child Has Fun. It is packed iwth activities that will provide teh sensory diet your child needs. It also is packed with ways to make those activities cheaply or for free. The activities your son hates are generally ones that are not good for what he needs. The ones he likes will help you figure out the sensory diet he needs. Do the same for your daughter. If you learn brushing from an Occupational Therapist (OT) for your son, then you can also do it on your daughter. Often they like to work with kids under 8 for Sensory Integration Disorder (SID). I used the brushing on thank you but also on my older 2. They each had marked improvement in school, felt better about themselves and were a LOT less "quirky". They find brushing very soothing. We recommend a book called The Explosive Child by Ross Greene. It is a technique that most of us have come to rely upon to discipline our children. If you go to the Early Childhood forum there is a sticky at the top of the list of threads that will help you adjust The Explosive Child to kids 5 and younger. I am glad to meet you here, and hope to get to know you better! Could you please go to the User CP button at the top of the page and make a signature like you see at the bottom of my post? No real first names, no last names or dates of birth, for safety's sake, please. The signature helps us keep your details straight so we don't suggest you do something that would not help your children. We get befuzzled sometimes, LOL. [/QUOTE]
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