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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 453977" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>My first big problem with this is that <strong>Dr Phil</strong> did not call authorities and neither did ANYONE from his show. I DO NOT CARE if she was asking for help from him. What she was doing was CLEAR CHILD ABUSE and NOTHING gets them out of being mandated reporters!!!! For this alone Dr Phil should have NO MORE license and NO MORE tv show!!! Where was HE in protecting these poor babies???</p><p></p><p>Janet, what you did with the hot sauce was to have Cory experience the natural and logical consequences of his actions. HE applied the hot sauce after ample warnings AND straight out being told not to. You did NOT use it as discipline for unrelated behaviors. I have NO CLUE why people think hot sauce is okay as a punishment - to me the next logical step if that is okay is to peppe spray your kids - clearly not OK. I remember reading a story in Reader's Digest about a little boy named Robbie Wayne and how his parents abused him to death. I was around 12 or so and the use of hot sauce as punishment struck me as particularly horrific then and still does.</p><p></p><p>The cold shower? No way in Hades is that appropriate. Not in a warmer climate and O.M.G. NOT IN ALASKA!!! Reminds me of the ice baths they used to force mental patients to lay in for hours - sheer abuse. </p><p></p><p>Punishment/discipline for kids is supposed to help them learn something. What could possibly be learned by hot sauce and cold showers for their behaviors? </p><p></p><p>We DID use showers as a tool with Wiz at a couple of points. First was at a time when he literally would get into a strange sort of rage and not be himself - a shock of cool water snapped him out of it. Did NOT get used as cold water - lukewarm was used. It was used like slapping a hysterical person. It worked and even the FIRST time we did it we had already scheduled an appointment with his docs to figure out what was going on. It happened maybe four or five times. The SECOND he was himself he was taken out, dried off, cuddled, and we talked about what happpened and why the shower. Later we also did them as a consequence for refusing to shower, to use soap while showering, etc.... He had to keep going back in until he actually came out clean. If he used up all the hot water, well, he had PLENTY of time to go in and get clean in warm water or whatever temp water he wanted. </p><p></p><p>Hot sauce is a tried and true method to abuse a child. People have been using it that way for generations - it was abuse back then and it is abuse right now. there is a REASON that none of us have ever seen it in The Explosive Child, Parenting with Love adn Logic, or any other parenting book!! </p><p></p><p>This family needs to be split up. The kids to families who will love them and parent them appropriately and the parents to prison and sentenced to NEVER have custody again.</p><p></p><p>I do not think being Mormon has anything to do with it. One article made a big deal about them being Mormon, but this is NOT part of their religion - it is their own twisted choice.</p><p></p><p>Those kids ALL need a ton of therapy. </p><p></p><p>I am quite sure we are seeing only the very tip of the iceberg. I know how frustrating lying can be to handle and I know that a huge % of kids from foreign adoptions have Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) and other problems. But this poor kid isn't acting the way he is for sh**s and giggles - he is mentally ill and likely has brain damage from prenatal exposure to drugs and alcohol. He is NOT going to learn anything from hot sauce and freezing showers except that his "mommy" hates him and wants to hurt him. </p><p></p><p>If those kids are not removed from these adults' clutches then I have NO pity for the adults when the twins become teens and turn on them and torture them to death. It will be a case of getting what you ask for, in my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 453977, member: 1233"] My first big problem with this is that [B]Dr Phil[/B] did not call authorities and neither did ANYONE from his show. I DO NOT CARE if she was asking for help from him. What she was doing was CLEAR CHILD ABUSE and NOTHING gets them out of being mandated reporters!!!! For this alone Dr Phil should have NO MORE license and NO MORE tv show!!! Where was HE in protecting these poor babies??? Janet, what you did with the hot sauce was to have Cory experience the natural and logical consequences of his actions. HE applied the hot sauce after ample warnings AND straight out being told not to. You did NOT use it as discipline for unrelated behaviors. I have NO CLUE why people think hot sauce is okay as a punishment - to me the next logical step if that is okay is to peppe spray your kids - clearly not OK. I remember reading a story in Reader's Digest about a little boy named Robbie Wayne and how his parents abused him to death. I was around 12 or so and the use of hot sauce as punishment struck me as particularly horrific then and still does. The cold shower? No way in Hades is that appropriate. Not in a warmer climate and O.M.G. NOT IN ALASKA!!! Reminds me of the ice baths they used to force mental patients to lay in for hours - sheer abuse. Punishment/discipline for kids is supposed to help them learn something. What could possibly be learned by hot sauce and cold showers for their behaviors? We DID use showers as a tool with Wiz at a couple of points. First was at a time when he literally would get into a strange sort of rage and not be himself - a shock of cool water snapped him out of it. Did NOT get used as cold water - lukewarm was used. It was used like slapping a hysterical person. It worked and even the FIRST time we did it we had already scheduled an appointment with his docs to figure out what was going on. It happened maybe four or five times. The SECOND he was himself he was taken out, dried off, cuddled, and we talked about what happpened and why the shower. Later we also did them as a consequence for refusing to shower, to use soap while showering, etc.... He had to keep going back in until he actually came out clean. If he used up all the hot water, well, he had PLENTY of time to go in and get clean in warm water or whatever temp water he wanted. Hot sauce is a tried and true method to abuse a child. People have been using it that way for generations - it was abuse back then and it is abuse right now. there is a REASON that none of us have ever seen it in The Explosive Child, Parenting with Love adn Logic, or any other parenting book!! This family needs to be split up. The kids to families who will love them and parent them appropriately and the parents to prison and sentenced to NEVER have custody again. I do not think being Mormon has anything to do with it. One article made a big deal about them being Mormon, but this is NOT part of their religion - it is their own twisted choice. Those kids ALL need a ton of therapy. I am quite sure we are seeing only the very tip of the iceberg. I know how frustrating lying can be to handle and I know that a huge % of kids from foreign adoptions have Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) and other problems. But this poor kid isn't acting the way he is for sh**s and giggles - he is mentally ill and likely has brain damage from prenatal exposure to drugs and alcohol. He is NOT going to learn anything from hot sauce and freezing showers except that his "mommy" hates him and wants to hurt him. If those kids are not removed from these adults' clutches then I have NO pity for the adults when the twins become teens and turn on them and torture them to death. It will be a case of getting what you ask for, in my opinion. [/QUOTE]
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