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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 369941" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>I'm not a doctor and don't profess to be one, but his kid sounds like he could be on the autism spectrum/Aspergers which many MANY psychiatrists/pschologists miss because it is not their field. It is actually a neurological difference that masks as a psychiatric problem so often the kids never get the right help or diagnosis.</p><p></p><p>Aspie kids DO act different than other kids, even their mannerisms can be quite different. They have trouble with eye contact with strangers (sometimes even with us) and are unsure of how to hold a give-and-take conversation. Often they have one or two extreme, obsessive interests, such as computers, videogames, a certain TV show, math or some even memorize bus schedules. They are loners who are uncomfortable with people, especially in new situations and with people t hey don't know. Often they relate to adults and the very young kids rather than their peers (because there are less social expectations from adults and very young kids). Most are confused in a world that they don't understand.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Aspie/autistic interventions can be extremely helpful even to adults who were never diagnosed. His quirkiness reminds me very much of my own seventeen yaer old son who doesn't really share the interests of his peers and only has friends from school (he doesn't see them outside of school). We are going to get him adult services when he turns eighteen. I think he will mostly be independent, but may need a little help and special job placement, even though he is book smart. He is clueless about social skills and life skills and THAT is the autism spectrum, higher functioning. </p><p></p><p>I would take him to a neuropsychologist, if he is willing to go, for a complete assessment and not listen right now to the psychiatrist. A psychiatrist delayed our correct diagnosis for years and most just don't recognize it when they see it. </p><p></p><p>Good luck, whatever you decide to do. I'm going to connect a link for you...remember NO Aspies have ALL the Aspie traits. Many also do very well after treatment. Although he hit your daughter, I feel it is somewhat regretful she called the police, although I get why she did it. If he IS on the spectrum, it will probably scare him a lot and may not teach him not to do it again. Aspies, until they are either medicated or understand their disorder, have a much harder time with impulse control. </p><p></p><p>Here is a small part of the link at the bottom of the page, explaining why Aspies seem to act "strange."</p><p> <strong>Not Understanding How the World Works</strong></p><p> Your Asperger child has a neurocognitive disorder that affects many areas of functioning. This includes a difficulty with the basic understanding of the rules of society, especially if they are not obvious. Life has many of these rules. Some are written, some are spoken, and some are learned through observation and intuition. Your child only knows what has been directly taught to him through books, movies, TV shows, the Internet, and explicit instructions. He is not able to sit in a room, observe what is happening, and understand social cues, implied directions, or how to "read between the lines," and as he is growing up, he does not learn how to do this. Instead, he learns facts. He does not "take in" what is happening around him that involves the rest of the world, only what directly impacts him. </p><p> Many of the conversations he has had have generally been about knowledge and facts, not about feelings, opinions, and interactions. As a result, he does not really know how the world works and what one is supposed to do in various situations. This can apply to even the smallest situations you might take for granted. Not knowing the unspoken rules of situations causes anxiety and upset. This leads to many of the behavioral issues that appear as the Asperger child tries to impose his own sense of order on a world he doesn't understand. </p><p> The Asperger child creates his own set of rules for everyday functioning to keep things from changing and thereby minimize his anxiety. Sometimes, he just makes up the rules when it is convenient. Other times, he attempts to make them up by looking for patterns, rules, or the logic of a situation to make it less chaotic for him and more predictable and understandable. If there are no rules for an event or situation, he will create them from his own experiences based on what he has read, seen, or heard. He will often have a great deal of information to use in reaching his conclusions and forming his opinions and feelings. As a result, some of his conclusions are correct and some are wrong. </p><p> He will rarely consider someone else's point of view if he does not consider them to be an "expert." The fewer people he sees as experts, the more behavioral difficulty you will see. He might consider teachers and others to be experts, but his parents will rarely be seen as such. Therefore, he will argue with you about your opinions if different from his own. He thinks that his opinion is as good as yours, so he chooses his. This represents his rigid thinking. He finds it difficult to be flexible and consider alternate views, especially if he has already reached a conclusion. New ideas can be difficult to accept ("I'd rather do it the way I've always done it"). Being forced to think differently can cause a lot of anxiety. </p><p> You must never overestimate your Asperger child's understanding of a situation because of his high intellectual ability or his other strengths. He is a boy who needs to figure out how the world works. He needs a road map and the set of instructions, one example at a time. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> <a href="http://life.familyeducation.com/aspergers/behavior/40201.html" target="_blank">http://life.familyeducation.com/aspergers/behavior/40201.html</a></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://autism.about.com/od/whatisautism/f/whatishfa.htm" target="_blank">http://autism.about.com/od/whatisautism/f/whatishfa.htm</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 369941, member: 1550"] I'm not a doctor and don't profess to be one, but his kid sounds like he could be on the autism spectrum/Aspergers which many MANY psychiatrists/pschologists miss because it is not their field. It is actually a neurological difference that masks as a psychiatric problem so often the kids never get the right help or diagnosis. Aspie kids DO act different than other kids, even their mannerisms can be quite different. They have trouble with eye contact with strangers (sometimes even with us) and are unsure of how to hold a give-and-take conversation. Often they have one or two extreme, obsessive interests, such as computers, videogames, a certain TV show, math or some even memorize bus schedules. They are loners who are uncomfortable with people, especially in new situations and with people t hey don't know. Often they relate to adults and the very young kids rather than their peers (because there are less social expectations from adults and very young kids). Most are confused in a world that they don't understand. Aspie/autistic interventions can be extremely helpful even to adults who were never diagnosed. His quirkiness reminds me very much of my own seventeen yaer old son who doesn't really share the interests of his peers and only has friends from school (he doesn't see them outside of school). We are going to get him adult services when he turns eighteen. I think he will mostly be independent, but may need a little help and special job placement, even though he is book smart. He is clueless about social skills and life skills and THAT is the autism spectrum, higher functioning. I would take him to a neuropsychologist, if he is willing to go, for a complete assessment and not listen right now to the psychiatrist. A psychiatrist delayed our correct diagnosis for years and most just don't recognize it when they see it. Good luck, whatever you decide to do. I'm going to connect a link for you...remember NO Aspies have ALL the Aspie traits. Many also do very well after treatment. Although he hit your daughter, I feel it is somewhat regretful she called the police, although I get why she did it. If he IS on the spectrum, it will probably scare him a lot and may not teach him not to do it again. Aspies, until they are either medicated or understand their disorder, have a much harder time with impulse control. Here is a small part of the link at the bottom of the page, explaining why Aspies seem to act "strange." [B]Not Understanding How the World Works[/B] Your Asperger child has a neurocognitive disorder that affects many areas of functioning. This includes a difficulty with the basic understanding of the rules of society, especially if they are not obvious. Life has many of these rules. Some are written, some are spoken, and some are learned through observation and intuition. Your child only knows what has been directly taught to him through books, movies, TV shows, the Internet, and explicit instructions. He is not able to sit in a room, observe what is happening, and understand social cues, implied directions, or how to "read between the lines," and as he is growing up, he does not learn how to do this. Instead, he learns facts. He does not "take in" what is happening around him that involves the rest of the world, only what directly impacts him. Many of the conversations he has had have generally been about knowledge and facts, not about feelings, opinions, and interactions. As a result, he does not really know how the world works and what one is supposed to do in various situations. This can apply to even the smallest situations you might take for granted. Not knowing the unspoken rules of situations causes anxiety and upset. This leads to many of the behavioral issues that appear as the Asperger child tries to impose his own sense of order on a world he doesn't understand. The Asperger child creates his own set of rules for everyday functioning to keep things from changing and thereby minimize his anxiety. Sometimes, he just makes up the rules when it is convenient. Other times, he attempts to make them up by looking for patterns, rules, or the logic of a situation to make it less chaotic for him and more predictable and understandable. If there are no rules for an event or situation, he will create them from his own experiences based on what he has read, seen, or heard. He will often have a great deal of information to use in reaching his conclusions and forming his opinions and feelings. As a result, some of his conclusions are correct and some are wrong. He will rarely consider someone else's point of view if he does not consider them to be an "expert." The fewer people he sees as experts, the more behavioral difficulty you will see. He might consider teachers and others to be experts, but his parents will rarely be seen as such. Therefore, he will argue with you about your opinions if different from his own. He thinks that his opinion is as good as yours, so he chooses his. This represents his rigid thinking. He finds it difficult to be flexible and consider alternate views, especially if he has already reached a conclusion. New ideas can be difficult to accept ("I'd rather do it the way I've always done it"). Being forced to think differently can cause a lot of anxiety. You must never overestimate your Asperger child's understanding of a situation because of his high intellectual ability or his other strengths. He is a boy who needs to figure out how the world works. He needs a road map and the set of instructions, one example at a time. [U][/U] [U][/U] [URL]http://life.familyeducation.com/aspergers/behavior/40201.html[/URL] [URL]http://autism.about.com/od/whatisautism/f/whatishfa.htm[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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