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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 203315" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>The stuff is naltrexone, but may go by other names. We have clinics like this in Australia. The drug works by blocking the receptors for opiates, so while on naltrexone, heroin and related opiates just will not work.</p><p></p><p>BUT I don't think naltrexone alone will do anything to protect an addict from withdrawal. So what they do, is book into the clinic and get sedated. Knocked out for 24-36 hours while on an IV. They're hooked up to a naltrexone drip while sedated and kept that way while they go through withdrawal. They then wake up clean.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what sort of clinic she is in touch with, but the ones in Australia would check her out very thoroughly before allowing her into the program. She would have to show that she not only CAN go straight, but is making an effort in her life. If she's still hanging around with addicts and pushers, then I doubt they'd take her on.</p><p></p><p>Her mother needs to stop enabling her. What kind of fool says, "Certainly, darling, I will mortgage the house in order to pay for this wonderful, miracle cure" and hands over the money, without checking it out first? I really hope she didn't just hand money over to her addict daughter - even if her daughter had every intention of taking the money to the clinic and booking in, you DON'T put that sort of temptation into an addict's hands. No, you take the money along yourself. And even before that - you move house, you take your daughter to the other side of the country if you have to, to get her away from her 'friends'.</p><p></p><p>Think about how much an addict spends, to maintain a habit. It wouldn't cost much more, and it would be a one-off payment, to cover the cost of a naltrexone treatment.</p><p></p><p>To STAY off heroin, you would need to keep taking the naltrexone in order to prevent yourself getting hooked again should you succumb to temptation and try it. But the thing is, why take naltrexone, if you're not committed to staying off heroin? It is not in the interests of an addict to take a drug (expensive drug) that will prevent you getting high. </p><p></p><p>Naltrexone is generally monitored carefully. There are too many things which can go wrong if a patient is not really committed. You could go through the intense treatment and come out of the clinic, clean. You could, at that point, stop all medications including stopping the naltrexone. If you can be trusted to never take heroin again, you would still be fine. But the first dose of heroin, to someone who is now clean - could be fatal. You could so easily overdose because you had washed it all out of your system.</p><p></p><p>The other danger is as I said - if you want to get high, you have to stop taking naltrexone. So really, the only way to ensure someone stays off heroin is to dose them with naltrexone in the same way methadone addicts get dosed - monitor them, supervise them, watch them closely.</p><p></p><p>Nope, this sounds like pie in the sky dreaming. Maybe she is interested in trying this, but not right now by the sounds of it. SHE has to be the one motivated to do this. If she in the meantime tries to score heroin, she's not committed. She should be on methadone first, surely.</p><p></p><p>But for those who are wanting genuinely to get clean and off heroin - naltrexone is a darn good way to do it.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 203315, member: 1991"] The stuff is naltrexone, but may go by other names. We have clinics like this in Australia. The drug works by blocking the receptors for opiates, so while on naltrexone, heroin and related opiates just will not work. BUT I don't think naltrexone alone will do anything to protect an addict from withdrawal. So what they do, is book into the clinic and get sedated. Knocked out for 24-36 hours while on an IV. They're hooked up to a naltrexone drip while sedated and kept that way while they go through withdrawal. They then wake up clean. I don't know what sort of clinic she is in touch with, but the ones in Australia would check her out very thoroughly before allowing her into the program. She would have to show that she not only CAN go straight, but is making an effort in her life. If she's still hanging around with addicts and pushers, then I doubt they'd take her on. Her mother needs to stop enabling her. What kind of fool says, "Certainly, darling, I will mortgage the house in order to pay for this wonderful, miracle cure" and hands over the money, without checking it out first? I really hope she didn't just hand money over to her addict daughter - even if her daughter had every intention of taking the money to the clinic and booking in, you DON'T put that sort of temptation into an addict's hands. No, you take the money along yourself. And even before that - you move house, you take your daughter to the other side of the country if you have to, to get her away from her 'friends'. Think about how much an addict spends, to maintain a habit. It wouldn't cost much more, and it would be a one-off payment, to cover the cost of a naltrexone treatment. To STAY off heroin, you would need to keep taking the naltrexone in order to prevent yourself getting hooked again should you succumb to temptation and try it. But the thing is, why take naltrexone, if you're not committed to staying off heroin? It is not in the interests of an addict to take a drug (expensive drug) that will prevent you getting high. Naltrexone is generally monitored carefully. There are too many things which can go wrong if a patient is not really committed. You could go through the intense treatment and come out of the clinic, clean. You could, at that point, stop all medications including stopping the naltrexone. If you can be trusted to never take heroin again, you would still be fine. But the first dose of heroin, to someone who is now clean - could be fatal. You could so easily overdose because you had washed it all out of your system. The other danger is as I said - if you want to get high, you have to stop taking naltrexone. So really, the only way to ensure someone stays off heroin is to dose them with naltrexone in the same way methadone addicts get dosed - monitor them, supervise them, watch them closely. Nope, this sounds like pie in the sky dreaming. Maybe she is interested in trying this, but not right now by the sounds of it. SHE has to be the one motivated to do this. If she in the meantime tries to score heroin, she's not committed. She should be on methadone first, surely. But for those who are wanting genuinely to get clean and off heroin - naltrexone is a darn good way to do it. Marg [/QUOTE]
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