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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 380600" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>Well remember- this would be the second time they plan to return him home after robbing me by use of knife. The first time it was held up to me; this time it wwas used to cut my clothes while I was sleeping. They have all been concerned about whether or not I have a MH problem (as in an very major one that has contributed to this) but I was under the impression that doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result was the definition of insanity. I think it is the CSU people and difficult child that are guilty of that- I can assure you that I'm convinced if nothing changed, I would have a knife on me a third time.</p><p></p><p>As far as emancipation- I'm aware those are the requirements however I'm not so sure how they pan out for a teen in Department of Juvenile Justice. Mainly because tthere are kids who are incarcerated until they are 18yo so what do they do with them? Train them and give them transitional services. They don't keep them incarcerated or require a family member to support them. Technically, only the people on a work program while incarcerated can support themselves.</p><p></p><p>All I know is that they do HAVE to know where difficult child will go prior to his release. Now exactly how far in advance they have to know this, I'm not sure. The people in our CSU (local court) have always told me that it has to be within a month of him being transferred to Department of Juvenile Justice- but I don't think that's true. Department of Juvenile Justice (state) doesn't require that because last year I rec'd a copy of a standard letter that was sent to PO from Department of Juvenile Justice and it said for him to "submit parole plan signed by parent and PO if not already provided". So that proved that Department of Juvenile Justice didn't need it one month after difficult child's transfer.</p><p></p><p>They can't take away parental rights (different than custody) unless/until dss has custody of difficult child for one year then a judge determines it in a court hearing after that. Only a judge can turn difficult child over to dss- the PO cannot. I think a judge has to even approve it if a parent tries to. Anyway, I'm not going to try to- it dawned on me this afternoon that this PO cannot tell me I have to file for relief of custody. They can, however, request a hearing to have difficult child turned over to dss. But I'm not sure they can do that right now with difficult child just being turned over to Department of Juvenile Justice. Let's hope not. However if they do, I believe that I can request an attny. I know that if it stays this way, they would do this prior to difficult child's release. CSU doesn't want to use the little resources they have left after all the funding cuts and group home closures on difficult child. They have already told me that they definitely will NOT use them when they know that they can turn a difficult child over to dss and another family member will take them- this of course, is why this has always been used as a threat toward me- but it's a real threat. And knowing that they have this "threat" available to hold over my head is exactly why they have been so unwilling to negotiate any requirements with me. But again, it also allowed difficult child to walk over me because difficult child knew I would become a doormat before letting them send him to my bro, no matter what he did. I just will never condone sending a kid to a high-risk situation as appropriate punishment. But- life is a lot different when you're over 17 than it is when you are a tween. LOL! And if difficult child isn't turned over to dss until after he's 17yo- well then- I can never lose parental rights- it just doesn't give them the year they would have to have before he turns 18yo.</p><p></p><p>Nothing can be resolvved though until next week when we find out difficult child's length of stay- sentence in Department of Juvenile Justice. Then later the issue will be not having a permanent home. I'm not going to let them threaten me over it or about it. Whether or not they turn difficult child over to dss because I don't have a permanent, stable home for a few months early on in his sentence, I don't know. I would tend to think that even if they did, dss would work with me and wait and see if I had a suitable, stable home again by the time difficult child is released. And I can't see why dss would get my bro involved now when they don't need him to take custody yet- plus he's out of state. It would seem more feasible that dss would return him to me if I had a stable home and was willing to take difficult child back and work with the PO at the time of difficult child's release- but again, my reasoning and their's is always different and I really don't know if this jurisdiction can require to have a "plan" signed this early on.</p><p></p><p>All I know is that it can't be all that simple and cut and dry or this PO wouldn't have gotten so shaken and ticked off when I calmly made it clear, the third time, that I am not signing that thing today. I told him after I find out difficult child's length of stay next week, I will weigh things and contact him. I will have to contact him within a few weeks anyway to give him a new phone number and tell him where I am. They are real worried that I'm going to disappear on them, I think, but I also know that they can't claim that as long as difficult child are in contact with each other and we both write each other and talk on the phone and I will visit as soon as the processing place allows it- so they can't claim abandonment. Plus, I went to this appointment with the PO. I'm just tired of being ordered to sign things saying I'm in agreement when I'm not, then being told I can be taken to court for not complying with what I signed agreement to. But then they say there is no choice- if there is no choice why is there a paper of agreement?</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I'm sure they (both local csu and state Department of Juvenile Justice) are more comfortable if this is in place prior to the staffing meeting where they make the final determination of difficult child's length of stay, what facility he'll go to, and treatment plan in Department of Juvenile Justice, which will happen next week. Too bad- they all, including difficult child, need to stop taking for granted that I'll go along with whatever plan they come up with. difficult child is going to flip though when they tell him in that meeting that I have not agreed at this point that he will be allowed back home.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 380600, member: 3699"] Well remember- this would be the second time they plan to return him home after robbing me by use of knife. The first time it was held up to me; this time it wwas used to cut my clothes while I was sleeping. They have all been concerned about whether or not I have a MH problem (as in an very major one that has contributed to this) but I was under the impression that doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result was the definition of insanity. I think it is the CSU people and difficult child that are guilty of that- I can assure you that I'm convinced if nothing changed, I would have a knife on me a third time. As far as emancipation- I'm aware those are the requirements however I'm not so sure how they pan out for a teen in Department of Juvenile Justice. Mainly because tthere are kids who are incarcerated until they are 18yo so what do they do with them? Train them and give them transitional services. They don't keep them incarcerated or require a family member to support them. Technically, only the people on a work program while incarcerated can support themselves. All I know is that they do HAVE to know where difficult child will go prior to his release. Now exactly how far in advance they have to know this, I'm not sure. The people in our CSU (local court) have always told me that it has to be within a month of him being transferred to Department of Juvenile Justice- but I don't think that's true. Department of Juvenile Justice (state) doesn't require that because last year I rec'd a copy of a standard letter that was sent to PO from Department of Juvenile Justice and it said for him to "submit parole plan signed by parent and PO if not already provided". So that proved that Department of Juvenile Justice didn't need it one month after difficult child's transfer. They can't take away parental rights (different than custody) unless/until dss has custody of difficult child for one year then a judge determines it in a court hearing after that. Only a judge can turn difficult child over to dss- the PO cannot. I think a judge has to even approve it if a parent tries to. Anyway, I'm not going to try to- it dawned on me this afternoon that this PO cannot tell me I have to file for relief of custody. They can, however, request a hearing to have difficult child turned over to dss. But I'm not sure they can do that right now with difficult child just being turned over to Department of Juvenile Justice. Let's hope not. However if they do, I believe that I can request an attny. I know that if it stays this way, they would do this prior to difficult child's release. CSU doesn't want to use the little resources they have left after all the funding cuts and group home closures on difficult child. They have already told me that they definitely will NOT use them when they know that they can turn a difficult child over to dss and another family member will take them- this of course, is why this has always been used as a threat toward me- but it's a real threat. And knowing that they have this "threat" available to hold over my head is exactly why they have been so unwilling to negotiate any requirements with me. But again, it also allowed difficult child to walk over me because difficult child knew I would become a doormat before letting them send him to my bro, no matter what he did. I just will never condone sending a kid to a high-risk situation as appropriate punishment. But- life is a lot different when you're over 17 than it is when you are a tween. LOL! And if difficult child isn't turned over to dss until after he's 17yo- well then- I can never lose parental rights- it just doesn't give them the year they would have to have before he turns 18yo. Nothing can be resolvved though until next week when we find out difficult child's length of stay- sentence in Department of Juvenile Justice. Then later the issue will be not having a permanent home. I'm not going to let them threaten me over it or about it. Whether or not they turn difficult child over to dss because I don't have a permanent, stable home for a few months early on in his sentence, I don't know. I would tend to think that even if they did, dss would work with me and wait and see if I had a suitable, stable home again by the time difficult child is released. And I can't see why dss would get my bro involved now when they don't need him to take custody yet- plus he's out of state. It would seem more feasible that dss would return him to me if I had a stable home and was willing to take difficult child back and work with the PO at the time of difficult child's release- but again, my reasoning and their's is always different and I really don't know if this jurisdiction can require to have a "plan" signed this early on. All I know is that it can't be all that simple and cut and dry or this PO wouldn't have gotten so shaken and ticked off when I calmly made it clear, the third time, that I am not signing that thing today. I told him after I find out difficult child's length of stay next week, I will weigh things and contact him. I will have to contact him within a few weeks anyway to give him a new phone number and tell him where I am. They are real worried that I'm going to disappear on them, I think, but I also know that they can't claim that as long as difficult child are in contact with each other and we both write each other and talk on the phone and I will visit as soon as the processing place allows it- so they can't claim abandonment. Plus, I went to this appointment with the PO. I'm just tired of being ordered to sign things saying I'm in agreement when I'm not, then being told I can be taken to court for not complying with what I signed agreement to. But then they say there is no choice- if there is no choice why is there a paper of agreement? Anyway, I'm sure they (both local csu and state Department of Juvenile Justice) are more comfortable if this is in place prior to the staffing meeting where they make the final determination of difficult child's length of stay, what facility he'll go to, and treatment plan in Department of Juvenile Justice, which will happen next week. Too bad- they all, including difficult child, need to stop taking for granted that I'll go along with whatever plan they come up with. difficult child is going to flip though when they tell him in that meeting that I have not agreed at this point that he will be allowed back home. [/QUOTE]
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