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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 379003" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Very good point, DaisyFace. </p><p></p><p>One thing most difficult children have, is logic. It may seem skewed, it may seem not our logic, but he does seem to have behaved logically.</p><p></p><p>Now to consequences - there are natural consequences to what he has done. First, it is far more panful to do it yourself and do it slowly, inexpertly. </p><p></p><p>Second, it is far less precise. You can end up with a bigger hole; with a hole not in the right place; with a hole that has 'dags' (Aussie slang, means bits hanging off that are not good - think of sheep's rear end); and lastly but certainly not least - infection risks.</p><p></p><p>Having a piercing brings responsibility. Right now the firsts priority, even above keeping the hole open, is to treat for infection prohylactically. Forget about antibiotics (at least for now, unless a doctor says it is necessary), the reason ear lobes get pierced is because they don't have as much blood supply. Oral antibiotics will only treat infection if they can be carried to the site by a good blood supply. The best home treatment to prevent infection, is topical. First, the biggest nasty risk is of common bacteria already present and happily living benignly there in the presence of oxygen, getting 'injected' into the tissues where oxygen is a lot lower, and the bugs choosing to grow in the absence of oxygen. Staph aureus is a classic - if the needle used to make the hole is also a needle used to deal with pimples, you can almost guarantee an anaerobic staph infection. The best way to treat tis is with hydrogen peroxide dabbed on frequently. it will bubble and fizz, especially if there i any infection. But it will still bubble and fizz even without infection. The bubbling drives oxygen into the tissues and kills anaerobic bacteria.</p><p></p><p>If the person making the hole (say, a friend) has a bit of a sore throat, then the risk can get really sty - you can get a combination of staph aureus and Streptococcus B, both growing anaerobically and working together to make a nasty mess of the ear. if tihs happens, it will be years before he can risk piercing tat ear again. It could be even worse - that combination can turn flesh-eating. I've seen it in myself, and in easy child. The infection we had was localised (finger in easy child's case; toe, in mine) and we got onto it fast. But watching it develop was scary. The staph burrows into the tissues and lifts the skin away from the flesh underneath, making it 'boggy'. This makes room for the staph to move in and create a lot of gunk. This allows the strep to force in deeper - and so on. It can develop and grow really fast.</p><p>Thankfully, a combination like tis and circumstances like tis are not too common. Oh yes, and if this happens, it IS painful. It is the staph that is most painful. He would know about it. His ear would be red, swollen and gunky. Under these circumstances, keeping an ear-ring in there might actually be needed, to provide a channel down which to trickle peroxide and then some alcohol. The alcohol will sting. Good. If he had had his ears pierced professionally, they advise dabbing alcohol on the ears several times a day, and rotating the ear-ring to stop the flesh fusing to it. painful. But you gotta do it, it's pat of the responsibility of getting a piercing.</p><p></p><p>Feel free to calmly share this with him.</p><p></p><p>Oh yes, one more vital titbit of lovely news - if you get an infection from piercing, it is a bad sign for later piercings. We had told easy child that one piercing was enough, she wanted a second hole in each ear. So she took herself off and had it done. And despite it being done professionally, it got infected. We saw the doctor, he said that this is increasingly common, the higher around the ear you go. He told her to never go higher, and if this hole closed over, if she tried again she would almost certainly get infected again. The lobes down below in the middle, the classic case for a first piercing, are the least likely to get infected. But once you start going higher, when you get an infection especially with a piercing done properly in sterile conditions, then the problem is your body - it will not be healthy to have more piercings. Also, the other locations for piercings are more vulnerable to infection.</p><p></p><p>easy child still has two holes in each ear, but nearly didn't. She fought hard and worked on those ears to clear up the infection, and managed to save her new piercings. But it was a near thing.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, an ear cuff is a better deal when they're under age. And an ear cuff can look cool too. Or you can get some really effective 'fake' clip-ono earrings which work with a tiny spring hidden inside the loop (for a single ring) or studs which attach and stay on with magnets. It gives you an idea if you like the look, without having to go through the piercing.</p><p></p><p>I got a loop thingie which had a tiny hook on one end so you could put it inside your nostril and make it look like you'd had your nose pierced. Once inserted, the little hook helped hold the ring in place so it just looked like an ordinary ring, through one side of the nose. I remember wearing it to horrify my in-laws. Even the kids thought it was real!</p><p></p><p>You can get some lovely ear cuffs, too, which look cool. They can sit up quite high on the ridge of cartilage at the back of the ear. A bit of shaping might be required to make them fit better, because each ear is different. You can even attach a chain to an ear cuff, and pin it to your shirt. If the ear cuff is in the shape of an animal, it makes it look as if you have the 'animal' tethered. Very punk.</p><p></p><p>I know this stuff because I love to mess with kids' heads myself. Having me turn up with a rainbow mohawk and studs & chains in really weird places, can freak out kids I want to shock. It also sends a message - if you get stuff done when you're younger, what will you look like when you're a granny? But it's also got to look 'cool' enough so it is plausible. You don't just throw anything together. OK, skip the rainbow mohawk. But a bit of stiffening gel in your hair to spike it a teensy bit is not overdoing it.</p><p></p><p>Less is more. To a certain extent.</p><p></p><p>I wonder how your husband would react, if he thought you'd gone out and had multiple piercings?</p><p></p><p>(hey, it' not just kids' heads I mess with!)</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 379003, member: 1991"] Very good point, DaisyFace. One thing most difficult children have, is logic. It may seem skewed, it may seem not our logic, but he does seem to have behaved logically. Now to consequences - there are natural consequences to what he has done. First, it is far more panful to do it yourself and do it slowly, inexpertly. Second, it is far less precise. You can end up with a bigger hole; with a hole not in the right place; with a hole that has 'dags' (Aussie slang, means bits hanging off that are not good - think of sheep's rear end); and lastly but certainly not least - infection risks. Having a piercing brings responsibility. Right now the firsts priority, even above keeping the hole open, is to treat for infection prohylactically. Forget about antibiotics (at least for now, unless a doctor says it is necessary), the reason ear lobes get pierced is because they don't have as much blood supply. Oral antibiotics will only treat infection if they can be carried to the site by a good blood supply. The best home treatment to prevent infection, is topical. First, the biggest nasty risk is of common bacteria already present and happily living benignly there in the presence of oxygen, getting 'injected' into the tissues where oxygen is a lot lower, and the bugs choosing to grow in the absence of oxygen. Staph aureus is a classic - if the needle used to make the hole is also a needle used to deal with pimples, you can almost guarantee an anaerobic staph infection. The best way to treat tis is with hydrogen peroxide dabbed on frequently. it will bubble and fizz, especially if there i any infection. But it will still bubble and fizz even without infection. The bubbling drives oxygen into the tissues and kills anaerobic bacteria. If the person making the hole (say, a friend) has a bit of a sore throat, then the risk can get really sty - you can get a combination of staph aureus and Streptococcus B, both growing anaerobically and working together to make a nasty mess of the ear. if tihs happens, it will be years before he can risk piercing tat ear again. It could be even worse - that combination can turn flesh-eating. I've seen it in myself, and in easy child. The infection we had was localised (finger in easy child's case; toe, in mine) and we got onto it fast. But watching it develop was scary. The staph burrows into the tissues and lifts the skin away from the flesh underneath, making it 'boggy'. This makes room for the staph to move in and create a lot of gunk. This allows the strep to force in deeper - and so on. It can develop and grow really fast. Thankfully, a combination like tis and circumstances like tis are not too common. Oh yes, and if this happens, it IS painful. It is the staph that is most painful. He would know about it. His ear would be red, swollen and gunky. Under these circumstances, keeping an ear-ring in there might actually be needed, to provide a channel down which to trickle peroxide and then some alcohol. The alcohol will sting. Good. If he had had his ears pierced professionally, they advise dabbing alcohol on the ears several times a day, and rotating the ear-ring to stop the flesh fusing to it. painful. But you gotta do it, it's pat of the responsibility of getting a piercing. Feel free to calmly share this with him. Oh yes, one more vital titbit of lovely news - if you get an infection from piercing, it is a bad sign for later piercings. We had told easy child that one piercing was enough, she wanted a second hole in each ear. So she took herself off and had it done. And despite it being done professionally, it got infected. We saw the doctor, he said that this is increasingly common, the higher around the ear you go. He told her to never go higher, and if this hole closed over, if she tried again she would almost certainly get infected again. The lobes down below in the middle, the classic case for a first piercing, are the least likely to get infected. But once you start going higher, when you get an infection especially with a piercing done properly in sterile conditions, then the problem is your body - it will not be healthy to have more piercings. Also, the other locations for piercings are more vulnerable to infection. easy child still has two holes in each ear, but nearly didn't. She fought hard and worked on those ears to clear up the infection, and managed to save her new piercings. But it was a near thing. Frankly, an ear cuff is a better deal when they're under age. And an ear cuff can look cool too. Or you can get some really effective 'fake' clip-ono earrings which work with a tiny spring hidden inside the loop (for a single ring) or studs which attach and stay on with magnets. It gives you an idea if you like the look, without having to go through the piercing. I got a loop thingie which had a tiny hook on one end so you could put it inside your nostril and make it look like you'd had your nose pierced. Once inserted, the little hook helped hold the ring in place so it just looked like an ordinary ring, through one side of the nose. I remember wearing it to horrify my in-laws. Even the kids thought it was real! You can get some lovely ear cuffs, too, which look cool. They can sit up quite high on the ridge of cartilage at the back of the ear. A bit of shaping might be required to make them fit better, because each ear is different. You can even attach a chain to an ear cuff, and pin it to your shirt. If the ear cuff is in the shape of an animal, it makes it look as if you have the 'animal' tethered. Very punk. I know this stuff because I love to mess with kids' heads myself. Having me turn up with a rainbow mohawk and studs & chains in really weird places, can freak out kids I want to shock. It also sends a message - if you get stuff done when you're younger, what will you look like when you're a granny? But it's also got to look 'cool' enough so it is plausible. You don't just throw anything together. OK, skip the rainbow mohawk. But a bit of stiffening gel in your hair to spike it a teensy bit is not overdoing it. Less is more. To a certain extent. I wonder how your husband would react, if he thought you'd gone out and had multiple piercings? (hey, it' not just kids' heads I mess with!) Marg [/QUOTE]
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