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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 401699" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>One of the things that I find incredibly annoying in my docs and in many people I meet here in the US is that if the study isn't done in the US they are positive that it is not valid and that there is NO possibility that it was well done and came up with the correct conclusions. I have even had doctors tell me that whatever the study showed might be true of people in Europe but it isn't true of people in the US. Sort of like we are our own separate species, which we all know is just plain stupid. The university crowd is not inclined to be this way because we have one of the highest % of international students here of many universities largely because our ag school. It is the people in the town and the docs in the big cities that we have to drive to in order to find specialists.</p><p> </p><p>It shocks me that so few docs can see the effect of big pharma on the research done in this country. I took a class on how to design a study or survey so that it is statistically valid when I was in college. It was a graduate class but the prof was a family friend and let me take it (he knew my adopted Gpa was a stat professor and had me neck deep in surveys from lots of angles from jr high on.). It was a huge eye opener. So many people in the US and the rest of the world don't realize how many well-done studies about medications and medical issues are NEVER allowed to see the light of day. The studies that are published are often not as reliable as one owuld think because they were designed to get a certain answer. Big Pharma is legally allowed to refuse to release as many studies as they want to if they paid for them and they pay for almost all of them in one way or another. If a study says it is not safe or doesn't do whatever then it is NEVER published. period. It is how things are done in the US and other parts of the world. As many studies as show medications are safe, there are at least as many with different results - and many of these are very reliable. </p><p> </p><p>It may be very different in Australia, but that is how things are done in the US. There was a very reliable study that showed that amoxicillin did nothing to help ear infections. My prof reviewed it with us as an exercise. It was very well done - there were flaws but every study has some - it is virtually impossible to avoid all flaws in a study. There was a stink made about the study being covered up - even made the Wall Street journal and it was shown to be true. To this day doctors still insist that if youdon't use amoxicillin then ear infections won't get better. (Many people here call it the pink bubble gum medicine and learn that it will stain flooring and tables if not wiped up right away!) I remember seeing the article in WSJ and Wiz was not yet 3. A big part of the reason people think that amox works is because the infection gets better on its own. It has taken fights, but we never brought amox home for an ear infection after that - to the frustration of several docs.</p><p> </p><p>There are a lot of other examples like this that are just not publicized. Heck, do any of you remember when neurontin was the hot medication to rx for bipolar? And other mental illnesses? Then it came out in a giant lawsuit settlement that it did NOT treat bipolar and that this was shown in studies but the company told the drug reps to tell docs it worked anyway? They claimed it helped a whole lot of mental illnesses that they KNEW it did not help and they ended up paying what seemed like a giant settlement. Janet and some of the other long time members may remember this. </p><p></p><p>I do agree that I need some new friends - it is why I cut contact with several a couple of years ago. As for liking to cook from scratch, it is fun when you have plenty of time but if you don't it can be a hassle. Using mixes can be really handy unless they make you very ill. That is why I learned to make my own mixes - and was shocked at how easy it is and how little time it takes to make them!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 401699, member: 1233"] One of the things that I find incredibly annoying in my docs and in many people I meet here in the US is that if the study isn't done in the US they are positive that it is not valid and that there is NO possibility that it was well done and came up with the correct conclusions. I have even had doctors tell me that whatever the study showed might be true of people in Europe but it isn't true of people in the US. Sort of like we are our own separate species, which we all know is just plain stupid. The university crowd is not inclined to be this way because we have one of the highest % of international students here of many universities largely because our ag school. It is the people in the town and the docs in the big cities that we have to drive to in order to find specialists. It shocks me that so few docs can see the effect of big pharma on the research done in this country. I took a class on how to design a study or survey so that it is statistically valid when I was in college. It was a graduate class but the prof was a family friend and let me take it (he knew my adopted Gpa was a stat professor and had me neck deep in surveys from lots of angles from jr high on.). It was a huge eye opener. So many people in the US and the rest of the world don't realize how many well-done studies about medications and medical issues are NEVER allowed to see the light of day. The studies that are published are often not as reliable as one owuld think because they were designed to get a certain answer. Big Pharma is legally allowed to refuse to release as many studies as they want to if they paid for them and they pay for almost all of them in one way or another. If a study says it is not safe or doesn't do whatever then it is NEVER published. period. It is how things are done in the US and other parts of the world. As many studies as show medications are safe, there are at least as many with different results - and many of these are very reliable. It may be very different in Australia, but that is how things are done in the US. There was a very reliable study that showed that amoxicillin did nothing to help ear infections. My prof reviewed it with us as an exercise. It was very well done - there were flaws but every study has some - it is virtually impossible to avoid all flaws in a study. There was a stink made about the study being covered up - even made the Wall Street journal and it was shown to be true. To this day doctors still insist that if youdon't use amoxicillin then ear infections won't get better. (Many people here call it the pink bubble gum medicine and learn that it will stain flooring and tables if not wiped up right away!) I remember seeing the article in WSJ and Wiz was not yet 3. A big part of the reason people think that amox works is because the infection gets better on its own. It has taken fights, but we never brought amox home for an ear infection after that - to the frustration of several docs. There are a lot of other examples like this that are just not publicized. Heck, do any of you remember when neurontin was the hot medication to rx for bipolar? And other mental illnesses? Then it came out in a giant lawsuit settlement that it did NOT treat bipolar and that this was shown in studies but the company told the drug reps to tell docs it worked anyway? They claimed it helped a whole lot of mental illnesses that they KNEW it did not help and they ended up paying what seemed like a giant settlement. Janet and some of the other long time members may remember this. I do agree that I need some new friends - it is why I cut contact with several a couple of years ago. As for liking to cook from scratch, it is fun when you have plenty of time but if you don't it can be a hassle. Using mixes can be really handy unless they make you very ill. That is why I learned to make my own mixes - and was shocked at how easy it is and how little time it takes to make them! [/QUOTE]
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