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<blockquote data-quote="helpangel" data-source="post: 261061" data-attributes="member: 7170"><p>Thank you everyone, I already feel like I belong here <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>I'll try to answer as many ?s as I can but try to keep this short, I understand none of us have much free time</p><p></p><p>Mr. 24 I think got interested in psychology because lets face it he lives with a couple good "case studies", many of his professors have commented about him seeming to have some inside info when it comes to abnormal psychology stuff. Besides he's seen the frustration we've gone thru with some morons disquised as tdocs that they have assigned us to help with these girls. </p><p></p><p>Having medicaid we didn't really get a choice about dealing with our county mental health system, and while competent the psychiatrist there is spread way too thin to treat one as severe as Ms.14; also she kept insisting there was nothing wrong with Ms.12 (said it was copycat of Ms.14) - I didn't see it that way especially when Ms12 was "cutting herself to let the pain out" and Ms14 has never cut or talked about cutting. This is just one example there are too many to list here (I've found when write a book on message board, not many have the time to read it)</p><p></p><p>So I got the school to do as much testing as I could and took Ms12 test results to a psychiatrist & therapist outside the county system who tried to say it was ADD but reconsidered when I pulled out the graphs in school reports that showed yes attention was in borderline category but Affective Disorders & Depression is way up in the clinical range. He prescribed Seroquel & Trileptal, she was doing great but then rules changed so outside psychiatrist wasn't covered under medicaid.</p><p></p><p>We tried a couple months with county psychiatrist for Ms12 all that she accomplished was discontinue the medications that were helping her and put her on Ritalin, Concerta & Clonodine Ugh as you guessed - downward spiral started. </p><p></p><p>But we survived the 4 months it took to get her into see The developmental pediatrician (according to her business card also neuro psychologist) and that is who prescribes 12yo's medications currently. I'll run this by you and you decide if missing anything - her initial evaluation consisted of 4 appointments over 2 weeks (2 1/2-3 hours each) then she sent us for more testing Neurologist for EEG, MRI & sleep deprived EEG (ugh not a fun one); Occupational Therapist (OT) for evaluation (4 visits) and several more for the school to do. She normally has patients come back every 4 months for follow up but because she prescribes Ms12s medications we see her bi-monthly and do phone reports every 2 weeks.</p><p></p><p>I was so impressed with her that I got Ms.14 in for an evaluation, same thing had me scurrying around getting tests for about a month, meanwhile ms14 (Angel) had her therapist thru the county insisting there was more to this then "just bipolar" about 5 months later dev.pediatrician doctor diagnosis Asperger's - but the county psychiatrist doesn't acknowledge that diagnosis; yet her office pays for some Autism services thru another agency. (Occupational Therapist (OT), art therapy & social skills group currently). I figure call it whatever they want just as long as we get the right medications & services and future support staff get a clue to whats going on I'm satisfied.</p><p></p><p>I think I will go back and change my signature to include Asperger's (and maybe ODD) for Angel and all of Ms 12s diagnosis's. I always considered adHd & ODD as symptoms of BiPolar (BP) not stand alone diagnosis's - the schizoaffective disorder diagnosis I don't understand enough to argue it but I was reporting mood symptoms for months prior to the psychiatric hospital stay where they added that diagnosis a month ago.</p><p></p><p>Hmmmm... I'm forgetting something, oh ya school. Many an IEP we've had to go find a bigger room because its more like an IEP conference then a meeting with so many bodies in that room. The county sends our therapist or case manager to IEP so they can observe and see how this is done - I go over my notes beforehand with them of what I'm asking for and what I will settle with (because I ask for things don't need, just to have something to give up to let school feel they are in charge LOL). School usually gives me what I want because I prove we need what I want or it might be they know from past that I don't mind letting an IEP turn into multiple meetings till I get what I want and they are tired LOL. It's not all academics we got hygene goals & social skill goals in there too.</p><p></p><p>Angel is currently transitioning from a sp ed school that everyone is classified EI they say its a theraputic day treatment school (a psychiatrist & 6 tdocs on staff) but I say bull it's juvi where you get to go home at night - they educate but their whole program is about behavior. Angel was sent there in 2006 after Residential Treatment Center (RTC) psychiatrist put her medications into a tail spin so severe she had 2 psychiatric hospital stays and by the time we got the medications straightened out the home school teachers were all afraid of her. She currently attends home school 1 1/2 hours per day in a cross categorical self contained class - one of the teachers is Angel's old elementary EI teacher -the other Autism prior to this. Glad school is recognizing the need for some EI services but keeping her out of the group that is strictly EI - EI room is next one over so they have the manpower if needed. </p><p></p><p>Ms.12 has 3 mainstream classes, resource room for math & self contained CI class for the rest of it (with pull outs for Occupational Therapist (OT), PT & SW for social skills group) currently getting speech but its being dropped at IEP this month because no longer needs it.</p><p></p><p>I appologize I didn't mean to but I started writing a book again LOL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="helpangel, post: 261061, member: 7170"] Thank you everyone, I already feel like I belong here :happy: I'll try to answer as many ?s as I can but try to keep this short, I understand none of us have much free time Mr. 24 I think got interested in psychology because lets face it he lives with a couple good "case studies", many of his professors have commented about him seeming to have some inside info when it comes to abnormal psychology stuff. Besides he's seen the frustration we've gone thru with some morons disquised as tdocs that they have assigned us to help with these girls. Having medicaid we didn't really get a choice about dealing with our county mental health system, and while competent the psychiatrist there is spread way too thin to treat one as severe as Ms.14; also she kept insisting there was nothing wrong with Ms.12 (said it was copycat of Ms.14) - I didn't see it that way especially when Ms12 was "cutting herself to let the pain out" and Ms14 has never cut or talked about cutting. This is just one example there are too many to list here (I've found when write a book on message board, not many have the time to read it) So I got the school to do as much testing as I could and took Ms12 test results to a psychiatrist & therapist outside the county system who tried to say it was ADD but reconsidered when I pulled out the graphs in school reports that showed yes attention was in borderline category but Affective Disorders & Depression is way up in the clinical range. He prescribed Seroquel & Trileptal, she was doing great but then rules changed so outside psychiatrist wasn't covered under medicaid. We tried a couple months with county psychiatrist for Ms12 all that she accomplished was discontinue the medications that were helping her and put her on Ritalin, Concerta & Clonodine Ugh as you guessed - downward spiral started. But we survived the 4 months it took to get her into see The developmental pediatrician (according to her business card also neuro psychologist) and that is who prescribes 12yo's medications currently. I'll run this by you and you decide if missing anything - her initial evaluation consisted of 4 appointments over 2 weeks (2 1/2-3 hours each) then she sent us for more testing Neurologist for EEG, MRI & sleep deprived EEG (ugh not a fun one); Occupational Therapist (OT) for evaluation (4 visits) and several more for the school to do. She normally has patients come back every 4 months for follow up but because she prescribes Ms12s medications we see her bi-monthly and do phone reports every 2 weeks. I was so impressed with her that I got Ms.14 in for an evaluation, same thing had me scurrying around getting tests for about a month, meanwhile ms14 (Angel) had her therapist thru the county insisting there was more to this then "just bipolar" about 5 months later dev.pediatrician doctor diagnosis Asperger's - but the county psychiatrist doesn't acknowledge that diagnosis; yet her office pays for some Autism services thru another agency. (Occupational Therapist (OT), art therapy & social skills group currently). I figure call it whatever they want just as long as we get the right medications & services and future support staff get a clue to whats going on I'm satisfied. I think I will go back and change my signature to include Asperger's (and maybe ODD) for Angel and all of Ms 12s diagnosis's. I always considered adHd & ODD as symptoms of BiPolar (BP) not stand alone diagnosis's - the schizoaffective disorder diagnosis I don't understand enough to argue it but I was reporting mood symptoms for months prior to the psychiatric hospital stay where they added that diagnosis a month ago. Hmmmm... I'm forgetting something, oh ya school. Many an IEP we've had to go find a bigger room because its more like an IEP conference then a meeting with so many bodies in that room. The county sends our therapist or case manager to IEP so they can observe and see how this is done - I go over my notes beforehand with them of what I'm asking for and what I will settle with (because I ask for things don't need, just to have something to give up to let school feel they are in charge LOL). School usually gives me what I want because I prove we need what I want or it might be they know from past that I don't mind letting an IEP turn into multiple meetings till I get what I want and they are tired LOL. It's not all academics we got hygene goals & social skill goals in there too. Angel is currently transitioning from a sp ed school that everyone is classified EI they say its a theraputic day treatment school (a psychiatrist & 6 tdocs on staff) but I say bull it's juvi where you get to go home at night - they educate but their whole program is about behavior. Angel was sent there in 2006 after Residential Treatment Center (RTC) psychiatrist put her medications into a tail spin so severe she had 2 psychiatric hospital stays and by the time we got the medications straightened out the home school teachers were all afraid of her. She currently attends home school 1 1/2 hours per day in a cross categorical self contained class - one of the teachers is Angel's old elementary EI teacher -the other Autism prior to this. Glad school is recognizing the need for some EI services but keeping her out of the group that is strictly EI - EI room is next one over so they have the manpower if needed. Ms.12 has 3 mainstream classes, resource room for math & self contained CI class for the rest of it (with pull outs for Occupational Therapist (OT), PT & SW for social skills group) currently getting speech but its being dropped at IEP this month because no longer needs it. I appologize I didn't mean to but I started writing a book again LOL [/QUOTE]
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