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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 268476" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>Good point about the gangs and which one "rules" at which place. He has 5-12 days left at this place so I'm just trying to get him to hang on as is until he gets to the next place, as you are suggesting too. If he can get thru the first couple of mos there without joining one, I think he should make it. Hopefully, it will help to be able to discuss some of this in person theis weekend. He's so vunerable in some ways and is very sensitive when it comes to peers and peer pressure it scares me. He'll take part in a little graduation ceeremony that I'll see this weekend, too, so maybe that will be something I can use with "wow- you did great keeping yourself out of trouble- now you are on the next level and get more priviledges, etc."</p><p></p><p>As far as the punishment for fighting- I agree about the lady knowing it more than the parole officer. He ended up in a couple of fights in middle school- one where it clearly was self-defense even by the principal's explanation of difficult child getting slammed up into lockers and held there with a hand on his throat by a boy much bigger. Still, difficult child got into trouble, too. Of course, there is a line though where if the kid doesn't do something, the harassment and abuse gets worse. I think the parole officer is correct in that. He said there are many cameras in all these places and some can't be seen by the boys. He also ssaid that other boys snitch about about anything they see so if difficult child needed to defend himself, chances are that the staff would be able to determine if difficult child hit someone in defense only.</p><p></p><p>Oh- difficult child also said in his letter that he played "bloody knuckles" with other kids to prove he was strong so some would leave him alone. Does anyone know what that is?</p><p></p><p>Well, I need to figure out how to tell my mother that difficult child is incarcerated. I swear I don't think I can bring myself to tell her why and I don't know how to tell her without her getting others in the family all stirred up. Maybe I'll put it across in the terms of "difficult child did something else he shouldn't so since he had the suspended sentence, he is going to be locked up for about a year". It is true that he was committed on 5 charges (4 from before) instead of just this last one. </p><p></p><p>He got 15-21 mos instead of 12-18 mos because they look at charges he's had in the past that he wasn't even committed for and add time on for those, too. Isn't that double jeapordy? I read online that they changes their LOS determination process last year because some kids were ending up with more time in Department of Juvenile Justice than adults who are sent to prison for the same crime. Also, I read that some mentally ill juvies were "being housed in state Department of Juvenile Justice due to not having mental health facilities to house them in in our state". This was on Department of Juvenile Justice's own website!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 268476, member: 3699"] Good point about the gangs and which one "rules" at which place. He has 5-12 days left at this place so I'm just trying to get him to hang on as is until he gets to the next place, as you are suggesting too. If he can get thru the first couple of mos there without joining one, I think he should make it. Hopefully, it will help to be able to discuss some of this in person theis weekend. He's so vunerable in some ways and is very sensitive when it comes to peers and peer pressure it scares me. He'll take part in a little graduation ceeremony that I'll see this weekend, too, so maybe that will be something I can use with "wow- you did great keeping yourself out of trouble- now you are on the next level and get more priviledges, etc." As far as the punishment for fighting- I agree about the lady knowing it more than the parole officer. He ended up in a couple of fights in middle school- one where it clearly was self-defense even by the principal's explanation of difficult child getting slammed up into lockers and held there with a hand on his throat by a boy much bigger. Still, difficult child got into trouble, too. Of course, there is a line though where if the kid doesn't do something, the harassment and abuse gets worse. I think the parole officer is correct in that. He said there are many cameras in all these places and some can't be seen by the boys. He also ssaid that other boys snitch about about anything they see so if difficult child needed to defend himself, chances are that the staff would be able to determine if difficult child hit someone in defense only. Oh- difficult child also said in his letter that he played "bloody knuckles" with other kids to prove he was strong so some would leave him alone. Does anyone know what that is? Well, I need to figure out how to tell my mother that difficult child is incarcerated. I swear I don't think I can bring myself to tell her why and I don't know how to tell her without her getting others in the family all stirred up. Maybe I'll put it across in the terms of "difficult child did something else he shouldn't so since he had the suspended sentence, he is going to be locked up for about a year". It is true that he was committed on 5 charges (4 from before) instead of just this last one. He got 15-21 mos instead of 12-18 mos because they look at charges he's had in the past that he wasn't even committed for and add time on for those, too. Isn't that double jeapordy? I read online that they changes their LOS determination process last year because some kids were ending up with more time in Department of Juvenile Justice than adults who are sent to prison for the same crime. Also, I read that some mentally ill juvies were "being housed in state Department of Juvenile Justice due to not having mental health facilities to house them in in our state". This was on Department of Juvenile Justice's own website! [/QUOTE]
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