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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 348082" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Thanks, guys.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We're certain it's not acute - onset has been over months. I have askedd that her doctors be given ALL information of what the naturopath has given her, plus I am certain she was taking the "transfer factor" capsules from before she became ill. Her husband sells these; it's one of those direct marketing schemes, so he has a strong vested interest to say, "It can't be that," and to downplay it, but W (paramedic sister) & M were both primed by me to 'dob them in' over it. I was hoping it could be a viable option, the doctor doesn't think so. I'm still not convinced. </p><p></p><p>When W mentioned the pills to J's husband, he got very curt with her. Of course he has to devalue this suggestion because the possibility is just unthinkable for him.</p><p></p><p>J & her husband both 'pushed' these pills onto me. They've doe this with other members of the family too. But I did a lot of research into the stuff, as well as already having my own experience with REAL Transfer Factor. Basically, real TF is made from human blood donations, it is an extract of human T-cells and needs to be injected i.m. in order to be taken up by the body in any useful form. It's like a lot of immunisations - nobody wants to stick a needle into a baby, but with a lot of 'shots', that is the only option. it would be cheaper and gentler to give a pill to babies (or like the polio vaccine, a few drops of syrup in a spoon) but in most cases, the stomach acids would break down the proteins and nothing of any immune value would get absorbed.</p><p>The "transfer factor" J was taking is made form cow colostrum and is taken orally. Therefore it's little more (to the stomach) than cow protein. Nothing of immunological value would get into the bloodstream, stomach acids would break the proteins down to their constituent amino acids.</p><p></p><p>So in terms of harm - minimal. Unless you have an allergy, or develop one. I've asked M to ask J & her husband if J at any time took any bee product. </p><p></p><p>They are of course thinking about bites & stings. J likes to work in the garden, but it is not overgrown, it is a lovely suburban small garden, well-established, neat and tidy. Mostly European plants. The only things I could think of biting her there that are dangerous wouldn't have such a slow run-up time. Plus she would have noticed, surely.</p><p></p><p>Bites and stings of a less noticeable nature make me think of arboviruses - we have a few nastier ones than Lyme Disease. Lyme is bad enough, of course, but doesn't generally cause lung failure. But the main Aussie ones I can think of don't lead to this degree of collapse.</p><p></p><p>I did some digging online last night, her symptoms seem to match ARDS.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_respiratory_distress_syndrome" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_respiratory_distress_syndrome</a></p><p></p><p>3S, you asked for more detail - to answer your questions as far as I can, I don't know about any fever. She may have some fever now, I'm not sure. But her breathing has been getting slowly worse with no fever, I believe.</p><p></p><p>Location of inflammation - alveolar certainly, possibly bronchial as well. Pain - I believe she is comfortable. Her difficulty breathing and extreme weakness (plus low sats) are the main presenting problems. But so severe, they say her lungs are failing fast.</p><p>Sputum - I think she's now too weak to cough. I believe she was producing buckets of mucus, they drained off a lot of fluid from her lungs. Nothing cultures though.</p><p></p><p>No more news so far today from the family. M will be heading back home now. I'll call W tonight, she will be at the hospital right now. And if I know W, she will be asking some probing questions and wanting answers.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully by now they have got the immunologist in. I really hope they transfer J to the public hospital, it is huge and they have resources beyond belief. Possibly the concern has been, how do you transfer a patient who is on a respirator and extremely weak?</p><p></p><p>I'll update as soon as I know anything.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 348082, member: 1991"] Thanks, guys. We're certain it's not acute - onset has been over months. I have askedd that her doctors be given ALL information of what the naturopath has given her, plus I am certain she was taking the "transfer factor" capsules from before she became ill. Her husband sells these; it's one of those direct marketing schemes, so he has a strong vested interest to say, "It can't be that," and to downplay it, but W (paramedic sister) & M were both primed by me to 'dob them in' over it. I was hoping it could be a viable option, the doctor doesn't think so. I'm still not convinced. When W mentioned the pills to J's husband, he got very curt with her. Of course he has to devalue this suggestion because the possibility is just unthinkable for him. J & her husband both 'pushed' these pills onto me. They've doe this with other members of the family too. But I did a lot of research into the stuff, as well as already having my own experience with REAL Transfer Factor. Basically, real TF is made from human blood donations, it is an extract of human T-cells and needs to be injected i.m. in order to be taken up by the body in any useful form. It's like a lot of immunisations - nobody wants to stick a needle into a baby, but with a lot of 'shots', that is the only option. it would be cheaper and gentler to give a pill to babies (or like the polio vaccine, a few drops of syrup in a spoon) but in most cases, the stomach acids would break down the proteins and nothing of any immune value would get absorbed. The "transfer factor" J was taking is made form cow colostrum and is taken orally. Therefore it's little more (to the stomach) than cow protein. Nothing of immunological value would get into the bloodstream, stomach acids would break the proteins down to their constituent amino acids. So in terms of harm - minimal. Unless you have an allergy, or develop one. I've asked M to ask J & her husband if J at any time took any bee product. They are of course thinking about bites & stings. J likes to work in the garden, but it is not overgrown, it is a lovely suburban small garden, well-established, neat and tidy. Mostly European plants. The only things I could think of biting her there that are dangerous wouldn't have such a slow run-up time. Plus she would have noticed, surely. Bites and stings of a less noticeable nature make me think of arboviruses - we have a few nastier ones than Lyme Disease. Lyme is bad enough, of course, but doesn't generally cause lung failure. But the main Aussie ones I can think of don't lead to this degree of collapse. I did some digging online last night, her symptoms seem to match ARDS. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_respiratory_distress_syndrome[/url] 3S, you asked for more detail - to answer your questions as far as I can, I don't know about any fever. She may have some fever now, I'm not sure. But her breathing has been getting slowly worse with no fever, I believe. Location of inflammation - alveolar certainly, possibly bronchial as well. Pain - I believe she is comfortable. Her difficulty breathing and extreme weakness (plus low sats) are the main presenting problems. But so severe, they say her lungs are failing fast. Sputum - I think she's now too weak to cough. I believe she was producing buckets of mucus, they drained off a lot of fluid from her lungs. Nothing cultures though. No more news so far today from the family. M will be heading back home now. I'll call W tonight, she will be at the hospital right now. And if I know W, she will be asking some probing questions and wanting answers. Hopefully by now they have got the immunologist in. I really hope they transfer J to the public hospital, it is huge and they have resources beyond belief. Possibly the concern has been, how do you transfer a patient who is on a respirator and extremely weak? I'll update as soon as I know anything. Marg [/QUOTE]
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