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Nepsy II results - Theory of Mind test/score
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<blockquote data-quote="buddy" data-source="post: 469914" data-attributes="member: 12886"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px">No, this has been around for a long long time, but maybe it is getting into mainstream articles and training more? When it comes to the test, the validity (does the test really capture whether the person has or doesn't have this skill) would be a big question for me. (Just a theory...) But maybe it is saying that statistically speaking, people who have autism, or other issues that affect this skill, will score at this level. Since no test can check on every kind of situation where one would actually need this skill, there is no way to really test fully whether someone can take another's perspective EVER....I have not given this test and haven't been on a team that uses it, I have been on evaluations where we do informal things to check this In trainings they can show clearly that it is a common symptom, but not an "always" symptom. And it can really depend on how abstract the situation is. Does the situation requires someone to interpret tone of voice, facial expression, have a good short term memory, etc...</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px">So I am only saying that this is a theory I would have as to what the score might be low if you feel that your difficult child has this skill at a higher level, but not really reflect his ability. It might just say that there is evidence that there is a problem with this skill on some level and it can support whatever diagnosis they are looking at. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 9px">just checked online: This is a subtest in a domain from a test that has 6 domains. So, there is only likely several questions to check this. The overall purpose of the test states that this test along with observations in class/home and information from other testing can give information that helps differentiate between different diagnoses. The specific subtest says: (hope it shows up because I cut and pasted it and the font size wont change here when I select it...maybe when I post it it will grow...)</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'arial narrow'"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'arial narrow'"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'arial narrow'"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">First, that is a heck of alot to get out of a subtest of a subtest, smile. It looks like a really interesting test and like it can give some good differential information to help sort through the options for a diagnosis or to help identify areas of struggle. But given the description, if one had a hard time with reading facial expressions only, this would lower the score, if one had trouble with inferences, they would have a lower score, etc. It is an artificial way to test for this skill. It really can only give a clue that this might be an issue and then when put into the big picture of how a child functions in the real world, it could support or refute options for the diagnosis. That is how I see it, anyone else might see it differently. We always say when we test someone, remember....even if the test is a very good one the truth is this is how they did on THIS day under these circumstances. It is only a piece of the puzzle.</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Sorry if this was overboard, but you made me wonder too, thanks for the education, smile.......bottom line, I wouldn't worry about a subtest score, how he does in real life is what to focus on and to encourage further development as much as possible. Just MHO</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buddy, post: 469914, member: 12886"] [INDENT] [SIZE=2]No, this has been around for a long long time, but maybe it is getting into mainstream articles and training more? When it comes to the test, the validity (does the test really capture whether the person has or doesn't have this skill) would be a big question for me. (Just a theory...) But maybe it is saying that statistically speaking, people who have autism, or other issues that affect this skill, will score at this level. Since no test can check on every kind of situation where one would actually need this skill, there is no way to really test fully whether someone can take another's perspective EVER....I have not given this test and haven't been on a team that uses it, I have been on evaluations where we do informal things to check this In trainings they can show clearly that it is a common symptom, but not an "always" symptom. And it can really depend on how abstract the situation is. Does the situation requires someone to interpret tone of voice, facial expression, have a good short term memory, etc... So I am only saying that this is a theory I would have as to what the score might be low if you feel that your difficult child has this skill at a higher level, but not really reflect his ability. It might just say that there is evidence that there is a problem with this skill on some level and it can support whatever diagnosis they are looking at. [/SIZE][SIZE=1]just checked online: This is a subtest in a domain from a test that has 6 domains. So, there is only likely several questions to check this. The overall purpose of the test states that this test along with observations in class/home and information from other testing can give information that helps differentiate between different diagnoses. The specific subtest says: (hope it shows up because I cut and pasted it and the font size wont change here when I select it...maybe when I post it it will grow...) [/SIZE][SIZE=2][FONT=arial narrow] [/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=arial][SIZE=2]First, that is a heck of alot to get out of a subtest of a subtest, smile. It looks like a really interesting test and like it can give some good differential information to help sort through the options for a diagnosis or to help identify areas of struggle. But given the description, if one had a hard time with reading facial expressions only, this would lower the score, if one had trouble with inferences, they would have a lower score, etc. It is an artificial way to test for this skill. It really can only give a clue that this might be an issue and then when put into the big picture of how a child functions in the real world, it could support or refute options for the diagnosis. That is how I see it, anyone else might see it differently. We always say when we test someone, remember....even if the test is a very good one the truth is this is how they did on THIS day under these circumstances. It is only a piece of the puzzle. Sorry if this was overboard, but you made me wonder too, thanks for the education, smile.......bottom line, I wouldn't worry about a subtest score, how he does in real life is what to focus on and to encourage further development as much as possible. Just MHO[/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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