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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 37968" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>The doctor not testing - to repeat tests already done is futile, if they were done recently. In fact, it's more than futile it's damaging because the subject ends up developing skills at doing tests. What we've seen, over and over - they will look at all the data collected, including past tests and their subscores, and IF they feel that some ground has not been covered they will test more deeply in some areas.</p><p></p><p>HOWEVER - to rule out Asperger's quite that soon is a bit unusual. Although from your description he really does sound very much on the ball, and I must admit he claims to have ruled it out and took more time in doing so, that I take in 'diagnosing' other people WITH Asperger's. And now even mother in law has joined the ranks of diagnostician - she has met a number of people we know and been able to tell me which ones are Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) and which are not - not bad! I can confirm whether she's got it right from my own personal knowledge of those people's histories.</p><p></p><p>difficult child 3 is now a lot more on topic these days. difficult child 1 is now VERY on topic, he really does seem 'normal' until you ask him to do something while he's trying to do something else. Watching him go to pieces is highly illuminating, but happens rarely these days because he's got so good at controlling it.</p><p></p><p>And they do - the smarter they are, the quicker they pick up how to mask their condition. This applies to ADHD as well. I can look at husband now, and see ADHD for sure, but the likelihood of Asperger's as well, but an Asperger's that has been adapted to. Socially he's sometimes a little inappropriate, but usually only when his guard is down. ANd increasingly rarely lately, far more when we were younger. He's done what both my boys have done - sat and studied human behaviour, tried to understand it and mimic it. </p><p>In the same way that difficult child 1 sat for hours, day after day, studying cockatoos and lorikeets feeding in our backyard, they've all watched human behaviour.</p><p>In the recent film difficult child 1 played a rainbow lorikeet. Because he's studied them so thoroughly, his performance was uncanny. But difficult child 1 is definitely Aspie.</p><p></p><p>easy child 2/difficult child 2 has had Asperger's ruled out, but increasingly we're not so sure. It's when she's stressed that we see it most - this is typical. Despite an amazing brain, there are aspects to her development that seem to have been delayed.</p><p></p><p>Even difficult child 3 - definitely autistic, he scores moderate on the Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) scale, but he is increasingly capable of a normal conversation - something I never thought I'd see. He can talk about how people feel, he now does have theory of mind, he's constantly trying to find the humour in a situation and is getting remarkably good at improvising humour very effectively. A dry wit, remarkably sophisticated. I suspect that like difficult child 1 he is doing this by using a remarkable memory for jokes like a huge database. I've seen difficult child 1 bouncing jokes and puns back and forth with a professional comedian (neighbour of ours) like a duel. My neighbour was rapidly losing his sense of humour as he was finding himself being outmatched by an Aspie. husband & I loved it!</p><p>A lot of their humour is visual - they have a strong, sometimes idiosyncratic mental picture and a very fluent way of describing it. They can 'see' jokes happening around them and are skilled at describing them effectively.</p><p></p><p>And yet they still qualify as Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD). They are complex, sometimes confusing but never, ever dull.</p><p>And I do think that a lot of what 'makes it' is their unusual way of visualising the world, and then describing it. When difficult child 3 was still struggling with language, he was in the car one day going fast with an open window. He shut the window to cut the draught because, he told us, "the wind is poking my eyes."</p><p></p><p>OK, I'm waffling a bit now, but what I'm trying to say - the label can help with understanding, but it's very easy to get the label wrong, especially with older kids and especially with bright, older kids. Testing can easily be over-done, and this also makes it easy for a child to fudge a test, without necessarily doing it on purpose. More detailed sub-tests can help, but it is the interpretation of these results that has the most bearing and is, unfortunately, the most subjective.</p><p>difficult child 1 was tested when he was 16 and he was able to 'beat' the test, simply by doing what he's learnt to do with that brain of his. And the testers were not vigilant, so did not pick up the ambiguity of their questions which led to him 'cheating' accidentally. "Write something for us," they told him. "We want to see how you write. Write us something. A story, maybe." But they didn't tell him he had to make it up - he thought they wanted to see his handwriting, so he wrote a lovely story about a dragon called Shen, and the boy who was his rider. Compared to his usual compositions it was flowing, picturesque, vivid and well-done. I put the improvement down to his having been on new medications. It was only a week or so later that he read me a bit more of the same story - from a book we had at home - and I asked him why he had not made up his own story. </p><p>"I didn't know I was supposed to," he told me. "I like that story, I wanted to share it with them."</p><p> He had the story in his memory and used that. But they had ruled out Asperger's at that appointment because he had expressed himself so well and so fluently, in writing.</p><p></p><p>It is really hard to assess kids like ours who can be so very different, but in subtle ways.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 37968, member: 1991"] The doctor not testing - to repeat tests already done is futile, if they were done recently. In fact, it's more than futile it's damaging because the subject ends up developing skills at doing tests. What we've seen, over and over - they will look at all the data collected, including past tests and their subscores, and IF they feel that some ground has not been covered they will test more deeply in some areas. HOWEVER - to rule out Asperger's quite that soon is a bit unusual. Although from your description he really does sound very much on the ball, and I must admit he claims to have ruled it out and took more time in doing so, that I take in 'diagnosing' other people WITH Asperger's. And now even mother in law has joined the ranks of diagnostician - she has met a number of people we know and been able to tell me which ones are Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) and which are not - not bad! I can confirm whether she's got it right from my own personal knowledge of those people's histories. difficult child 3 is now a lot more on topic these days. difficult child 1 is now VERY on topic, he really does seem 'normal' until you ask him to do something while he's trying to do something else. Watching him go to pieces is highly illuminating, but happens rarely these days because he's got so good at controlling it. And they do - the smarter they are, the quicker they pick up how to mask their condition. This applies to ADHD as well. I can look at husband now, and see ADHD for sure, but the likelihood of Asperger's as well, but an Asperger's that has been adapted to. Socially he's sometimes a little inappropriate, but usually only when his guard is down. ANd increasingly rarely lately, far more when we were younger. He's done what both my boys have done - sat and studied human behaviour, tried to understand it and mimic it. In the same way that difficult child 1 sat for hours, day after day, studying cockatoos and lorikeets feeding in our backyard, they've all watched human behaviour. In the recent film difficult child 1 played a rainbow lorikeet. Because he's studied them so thoroughly, his performance was uncanny. But difficult child 1 is definitely Aspie. easy child 2/difficult child 2 has had Asperger's ruled out, but increasingly we're not so sure. It's when she's stressed that we see it most - this is typical. Despite an amazing brain, there are aspects to her development that seem to have been delayed. Even difficult child 3 - definitely autistic, he scores moderate on the Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) scale, but he is increasingly capable of a normal conversation - something I never thought I'd see. He can talk about how people feel, he now does have theory of mind, he's constantly trying to find the humour in a situation and is getting remarkably good at improvising humour very effectively. A dry wit, remarkably sophisticated. I suspect that like difficult child 1 he is doing this by using a remarkable memory for jokes like a huge database. I've seen difficult child 1 bouncing jokes and puns back and forth with a professional comedian (neighbour of ours) like a duel. My neighbour was rapidly losing his sense of humour as he was finding himself being outmatched by an Aspie. husband & I loved it! A lot of their humour is visual - they have a strong, sometimes idiosyncratic mental picture and a very fluent way of describing it. They can 'see' jokes happening around them and are skilled at describing them effectively. And yet they still qualify as Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD). They are complex, sometimes confusing but never, ever dull. And I do think that a lot of what 'makes it' is their unusual way of visualising the world, and then describing it. When difficult child 3 was still struggling with language, he was in the car one day going fast with an open window. He shut the window to cut the draught because, he told us, "the wind is poking my eyes." OK, I'm waffling a bit now, but what I'm trying to say - the label can help with understanding, but it's very easy to get the label wrong, especially with older kids and especially with bright, older kids. Testing can easily be over-done, and this also makes it easy for a child to fudge a test, without necessarily doing it on purpose. More detailed sub-tests can help, but it is the interpretation of these results that has the most bearing and is, unfortunately, the most subjective. difficult child 1 was tested when he was 16 and he was able to 'beat' the test, simply by doing what he's learnt to do with that brain of his. And the testers were not vigilant, so did not pick up the ambiguity of their questions which led to him 'cheating' accidentally. "Write something for us," they told him. "We want to see how you write. Write us something. A story, maybe." But they didn't tell him he had to make it up - he thought they wanted to see his handwriting, so he wrote a lovely story about a dragon called Shen, and the boy who was his rider. Compared to his usual compositions it was flowing, picturesque, vivid and well-done. I put the improvement down to his having been on new medications. It was only a week or so later that he read me a bit more of the same story - from a book we had at home - and I asked him why he had not made up his own story. "I didn't know I was supposed to," he told me. "I like that story, I wanted to share it with them." He had the story in his memory and used that. But they had ruled out Asperger's at that appointment because he had expressed himself so well and so fluently, in writing. It is really hard to assess kids like ours who can be so very different, but in subtle ways. Marg [/QUOTE]
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