Hi everyone. I just found a link to this forum through another site. The other site was really just a general discussion forum, with one sub-forum about parenting. After posting there several times, I realized it was absolutely hopeless - NO ONE coul relate to the severity of the difficulties I'm having with my 16 and 19 year olds. I was getting many of the nice, pat, textbook answers for handling my out-of-my-control children such as "JUST LAY DOWN THE RULES OF THE HOUSE!", "JUST TAKE AWAY ALL THE PRIVILEGES", "You're the boss, just tell them IT'S YOUR WAY OF THE HIGHWAY" blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know the drill. All those things work only for normal, compliant, generally agreeable teens, in NORMAL situations. I'm not a moron, I do have a brain and if simplistic solutions like that worked in my situation, I wouldn't be desperately asking for advice! Normal reasoning does not work with children like this. People who have never been where many of us are make you feel like you're crazy because, if you consider yourself a normally intelligent, caring, strong, and capable person, you've already DONE all of those very obvious things, without success. It's all failed! Now you're at your witts end and feel helpless and scared for yourself and your child(ren). I just registered and will start posting soon. I am a single mother who is very alone in this fight, and I'm exhausted. I feel ashamed of how my children behave, and how they treat me. There are times I've felt like running away where no one can find me. But it helps to know I'm not alone, and that I'm not being "punished" for something I've done to my kids. I will start posting soon with more details of my own situation, and hope to get some feedback from your own, very relatable, experiences. Right now, I have to go to work to support us. Glad to find you!