Octo mom on Dr Phil

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by Shari, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. Shari

    Shari IsItFridayYet?

    I saw where octo mom is supposed to be on Dr Phil, I think maybe today.

    Wish I had tivo. I'd like to see this one.
     
  2. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    I saw a blurb of it on The Early show - and he said "I think I reached her."

    I said "OMG he's a miracle worker." and turned off the tv.

    but before I got to the off button - he was calling on America to support these children with donations and support and help. He said "Well these babies are here now."

    THAT? THAT was his best advice? WOW -
     
  3. Marcie Mac

    Marcie Mac Just Plain Ole Tired

    I just keep watching because I want to see what her "plan" is. She keeps insisting she has one, shes just gotta focus. The hospital is NOT going to release those babies to her unless they are confident she has a place for them other than where she is at now - and where she is at now is in her moms house which is in foreclosure (along with mom's two other homes).

    According to an interview with her this morning, she still plans to go back to school and she has about a year and a half, and she is a good writer, so she plans to write a book. Her mother just looked at her and said Nadya, when are you going to have time to write a book, you have 14 CHILDREN to take care of LOL She says "in the evenings"

    There are things that come out of her mouth that sound totally logical till you think she has almost no home,and no way to earn a living to support all those babies (unless she considers her website income). What are her chances of getting a student loan again now that she has outed herself and says that is a source of income for her, you just keep taking them out and have to consolidate them every once in a while. I know nothing about student loans but don't you have to have some kind of credit to get them? And how much does a good therapist make? Unless you are some kind of a Dr. Phil, am thinking not enough for 14 children. And how in the heck can you have any kind of job with the odds of one of the 14 having some kind of dr.appointment, school issue, and so on? Am not sure I would want to be one of her clients and taking any advice that would come out of her mouth.

    Ya think the woman would realize that the best laid plans of mice and men ....

    Marcie
     
  4. rdugirl

    rdugirl New Member

    Who paid for the IVF?? It is VERY expensive! It should never be allowed to be done on a person who already has children they cannot support, who is on welfare and disability!! The doctor needs to be charged with negligance at the very least. Put him on Dr. Phil..love to see what his rationale was for perfoming the procedure in the first place. My heart goes out to the children and I hope they are adopted out to families who have the time, love, and resources to support them.
     
  5. Abbey

    Abbey Spork Queen

    Crimany...I have NO children at home and can't make a living.

    Can you say DENIAL???

    Abbey
     
  6. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    I watched the Dr Phil show.

    Marcie, he brought up many of those issues. She had no answers and he called her on them. He told her that the Masters degree psychology job would only pay like between 40k and 70K and that wouldnt even cover 30% of the income she needed to support 14 kids. LOL. She just said...well....I have plans. Oh...what plans? Well...I dont know. How are you going to take care of 8 infants at once...well they are coming out 3 at a time....ok? but they will all be there eventually! Well...I will be up at night! Ok...

    She makes no sense.

    And then...if some group comes in and does help when these babies are infants...what about when they are 2 or 3 and half of them have autism or other daughter....what then? She will be SOL.
     
  7. gcvmom

    gcvmom Here we go again!

    The latest I heard this morning is that Kaiser Hospital says they will NOT release the 8 babies to her care until she can PROVE that she is capable of doing so. Major liability fear on the part of the hospital -- if they release the babies to her and something goes wrong (which clearly the world believs would be the case at this point), they are potentially the ones at fault for letting them go to an inappropriate environment. I suspect CPS will be looking into the situation very soon. I think this will be in everyone's best interest who's involved.

    Dr. Phil also said (supposedly) that he felt her ability to grasp the seriousness of her situation is limited (for whatever reason).
     
  8. This is absolutely ridiculous! That doctor should NEVER had given her IVF. I remember just before I had my daughter, we had a neighbor who had like 9 or 10 kids, they were a really great family, but she always wanted a even number and asked her doctor to prescribe her Clomid so she could try to have twins, the doctor told her it would be unethical. She did go on to have a total of 12 kids, the 2 oldest being adopted. They never got public assistance either, they both worked, dad was a PE teacher at a Christian School where ALL of the kids went on scholarship and mom worked part time in the NICU at the childrens hospital.

    As far as paying for the IVF, I remember reading something that Octo mom said that she had saved money and used some of the money from her disability payments. Ummm I would think that she might very well have issues there, as well.
     
  9. TerryJ2

    TerryJ2 Well-Known Member

    I saw 2 min. of it. difficult child is grounded off the computer and PS2 so he resorted to watching Dr. Phil b4 school, LOL!
    I only heard the part where he said the babies are here now and need to be cared for.
    Arrgh.
    I like that the hospital is standing firm, so far, on a conditional release date, the operative word being "conditional."
     
  10. Nomad

    Nomad Guest

    I saw most of it.

    She implied that a few of the babies will be released to her within the next few weeks.

    Also, from what I can figure out, Dr. Phil is trying to convince her to say that she made a poor choice in deciding to have another child or children.

    I think Part II is tomorrow (Thurs.) My guess...she will say in some sort of way that having the invitro fertilization was not a good idea (or something like this).
     
  11. Marguerite

    Marguerite Active Member

    I wish I could see those Dr Phil episodes, but for some crazy reason Dr Phil has been taken off Aussie television to make way for another fluff show called "The Doctors". PLus we often havwe to wait for episodes. Not always - sometimes we get them at the same time as you guys. But then, we might get shows on repeat, several years old.

    Darn!

    Marg
     
  12. DDD

    DDD Well-Known Member

    Dr. Phil shouldn't be running a show like an old fashioned Revival. Encouraging her to repent and publicly admit her mistake is like instant psychiatric cures.

    The reality is that there are lots of babies and children "in need of care", "in need of stability", "in need of loving support".

    in my humble opinion........only the children's welfare is worth discussion. DDD
     
  13. Nomad

    Nomad Guest

    DDD...
    Dr. Phil's take on all this is that funds will be needed to care for the babies whether they stay with the mom or not. He is worried that the disdain for the mother will stop funds from coming in. I don't think anyone will ever trust the mother. Perhaps if a special fund was set up to protect those funds...it would be a small possibility. Also...a fund establishing a list of items needed. I dont know. However, I think his real motives for the public confession he is trying to squeeze out of this mother is to garnish some sympathy and relief... so that people will find it in their hearts to donate for the benefit of the children.
     
  14. DDD

    DDD Well-Known Member

    Nomad, I'm sure his intentions are honorable. on the other hand, she is a GFGmom and there is no way she is capable of caring for those babies and children. Even people who don't care for me, think/know I am a great Mother. I am stating unequivocably (sp??) that NEVER would I have been capable of taking care of over six children. Never. If I had all their basic financial needs handled........I still could not provide enough support and love for that many children.

    I think supporting this GFGmom is NOT in the best interests of those babies. The children who are already bonded with the grandparents are not in the same boat IF the grandparents give up their life for those six kids. The babies need a future based on the opinions and experiences of the very TOP experts in early childhood. Like many here I know a heck of alot about the needs of children from birth on but I sure don't know the long term ramifications of separating multiples. I'd bet the farm, however, that the long term ramifications of staying with their bio GFGmom would be
    horrific. DDD
     
  15. donna723

    donna723 Well-Known Member

    I watched the second part of the Dr. Phil interviews this afternoon. They did say right at the end that the hospital is refusing to allow her to take any of the babies home until she can show that they will have a proper place to live and that they will be cared for.

    I thnk they would get a lot more money donated if they appointed some sort of guardian to be responsible for the money to make sure it goes for the benefit of the children instead of it going directly to this ditzy woman. Is it up to the hospital to notify CPS if they don't think the mother is capable of caring for the children?
     
  16. Marcie Mac

    Marcie Mac Just Plain Ole Tired

    The program just finished here and definately Dr. Phil is into doing damage control for Naydia- probably going with the thought process of "if Dr. Phil ask, people will respond" He put out a call for us locals (she is only about 20 miles away from me) to volunteer in helping care for these kids.

    She had a perfectly good offer arranged by Gloria Alread with a group of neo natal nurses and specialists who would provide care 24/7. This is a non profit group called Angels in Waiting who specialize in care for preemies, and would also take care of the 6 older kids. They would do it free of charge, it wouldn't cost her or the taxpayers a dime, and were only asking for donations for their group.

    Unless the good Doctor has been under a rock for the past week or so, he must know that Gloria had made this offer - sheesh - she has been on TV every single day. And he thinks that making the shout out to us locals for help is better than having professionals in place?? I think Octomom rather likes all of the publicity Dr Phil is getting her every day vrs very little with Allred once everything was in place. Its turned into the battle of media people. Lets see, I could have 24/7 care with specialists in place for all of my kids, can get my nails done, go shopping, go back to school, write my book, not having to worry about babysitters, or hang on to Dr. Phils coattails to keep me in the limelight and I can get to do my psychobabble sparing with him where he asks me questions and I talk all around the issue. He will make me even more famous that I am now, and his shows ratings will zoom up.

    Its becomming pretty clear to me what her "plan" is now

    The state needs to take those babies and not give them back until if and when Octomom gets her (*&!% together.

    Marcie
     
  17. Abbey

    Abbey Spork Queen

    The only thing I can say is you NEVER trust what these talk show people say. I experienced it when I owned this site and Columbine happened. It was like an explosion of emails and calls to go on whatever show, etc. They really don't want to hear the true story. They don't want to hear the true reality of raising a kid who has challenges and what it does to a family. They want something that is trapping to the public. That's why I never buckleled and went on air, and there were many offers.

    I sometimes watch these shows with great skeptimism. They only pick the parts that they think will get public attention. Sometimes, it's the small things.

    I'm not defending the mom, but the media will drag her down in the end.

    Abbey
     
  18. Nomad

    Nomad Guest

    I saw about 3/4 of the show (Part II) today...missed some of it.

    I knew she wouldn't be interested in the Allred situation because she would lose her control/controlling interest in the entire ordeal. Additionally, the Angels group hinted that part of the package was therapy for Nadyia!

    Did anyone feel sorry for the grandmother? I did (couldn't help it).

    I'm not defending the mother either. I think there is something seriously wrong with her thinking. (I do hope she gets real help at some point and does better in this regard).

    However, like Abbey has said, I do see where the media is using her. They are users and abusers.

    The funny thing is...it seems like many in the media (like Dr. Phil) are pushing to help her.

    No one has come out and said that perhaps these children should be adopted and/or placed in foster care until significant changes take place.
     
  19. DDD

    DDD Well-Known Member

    Sounds like Gloria has found a viable answer and, as often is the case with troubled parents, will not be able to implement it. So very sad. DDD
     
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