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<blockquote data-quote="SuZir" data-source="post: 649006" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>Vaccines are not harmless. Most are quite safe and negative side effects are minor and of course most of diseases they are against are much, much worse, but they are not harmless. And some may still have very unexpected side effects.</p><p></p><p>Around here we are still having an issue regard the swine flu vaccine and how to deal with the aftermath and how much should government pay compensation for those who got chronic, life altering side effects from that vaccine. One of the used vaccines was not a good match to our genetics. It didn't cause much same problems outside of Scandinavia, not at least that is reported (though I think they had a bit similar results in Ireland), but here it made juvenile narcolepsy to sky rocket. Now we have ten times the amount of narcoleptic kids than we had before. And with kids it is not simply about them having trouble staying awake, instead the disease changes the whole kid and especially behavioural effects are huge. Previously well behaved kids who did well at school and socially have turned into aggressive, violent kids with constant meltdowns and inability to manage school and social relationship (it is basically sleep deprivation that causes these issues in kids in case of narcolepsy.) Stories of these families are horrible and everywhere around the news. Many of the kids have needed to be placed to Residential Treatment Center (RTC) because parents can't manage anymore and so on.</p><p></p><p>Of course we can't know how many would had died because of the swine flu without vaccines nor we do know who of those kids would had gotten narcolepsy anyway, even without vaccine or if the getting the actual swine flu would had triggered onset of narcolepsy too, but we do know that we now have ten times the amount of kids with narcolepsy we did have before they were vaccinated against swine flu.</p><p></p><p>Then there are issues concerning our immune system and how it adapts to fever sickness to battle. There has been some talk about rise of the auto immune diseases and allergic issues may be caused by the lack of diseases for our immune systems to battle when we are young. This is one argument I know many use for the reason not give their kids vaccines against many of the milder diseases they nowadays have vaccines for. And it was also a reason I didn't get my kids the chicken box vaccine though it was available (though not part of our national vaccination program and so we would had needed to pay it ourselves.) We did choose to vaccinate our kids against few extra things aside the basics like MMR, Polio, Tetanus etc. but held off the most still experimental vaccines/vaccines to milder things nor do we usually take seasonal flu vaccines etc. Nowadays difficult child takes also a flu shot because his employer really wants him to do so and he doesn't want to fight that, but none of us others do. Things with that would of course be different if we were in the risk group for more than just feeling lousy for two weeks if we catch the flu.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuZir, post: 649006, member: 14557"] Vaccines are not harmless. Most are quite safe and negative side effects are minor and of course most of diseases they are against are much, much worse, but they are not harmless. And some may still have very unexpected side effects. Around here we are still having an issue regard the swine flu vaccine and how to deal with the aftermath and how much should government pay compensation for those who got chronic, life altering side effects from that vaccine. One of the used vaccines was not a good match to our genetics. It didn't cause much same problems outside of Scandinavia, not at least that is reported (though I think they had a bit similar results in Ireland), but here it made juvenile narcolepsy to sky rocket. Now we have ten times the amount of narcoleptic kids than we had before. And with kids it is not simply about them having trouble staying awake, instead the disease changes the whole kid and especially behavioural effects are huge. Previously well behaved kids who did well at school and socially have turned into aggressive, violent kids with constant meltdowns and inability to manage school and social relationship (it is basically sleep deprivation that causes these issues in kids in case of narcolepsy.) Stories of these families are horrible and everywhere around the news. Many of the kids have needed to be placed to Residential Treatment Center (RTC) because parents can't manage anymore and so on. Of course we can't know how many would had died because of the swine flu without vaccines nor we do know who of those kids would had gotten narcolepsy anyway, even without vaccine or if the getting the actual swine flu would had triggered onset of narcolepsy too, but we do know that we now have ten times the amount of kids with narcolepsy we did have before they were vaccinated against swine flu. Then there are issues concerning our immune system and how it adapts to fever sickness to battle. There has been some talk about rise of the auto immune diseases and allergic issues may be caused by the lack of diseases for our immune systems to battle when we are young. This is one argument I know many use for the reason not give their kids vaccines against many of the milder diseases they nowadays have vaccines for. And it was also a reason I didn't get my kids the chicken box vaccine though it was available (though not part of our national vaccination program and so we would had needed to pay it ourselves.) We did choose to vaccinate our kids against few extra things aside the basics like MMR, Polio, Tetanus etc. but held off the most still experimental vaccines/vaccines to milder things nor do we usually take seasonal flu vaccines etc. Nowadays difficult child takes also a flu shot because his employer really wants him to do so and he doesn't want to fight that, but none of us others do. Things with that would of course be different if we were in the risk group for more than just feeling lousy for two weeks if we catch the flu. [/QUOTE]
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