I didn't want to hijack whatamess's thread but something Linda said sent me off on a tangent: I agree. I don't think the long rages are good for child or parent. And psychiatrists and tdocs don't really seem to understand. I was told by the restraint trainers that a restraint should only last 15-30 seconds if done correctly. I laughed in their faces. Kanga, like kt bug could rage for hours. Then one of them was at Tigger's school during the worst of his rage period. They finally called me after an hour and several staff getting hit. I calmly suggested that they actually listen to the parent, that they revise their restraint training to include what to do with all-day rages, and that if they had followed my advice (1) no one would have gotten hurt and (2) they might have calmed him down without needing a restraint and that I never wanted to be blown off as "just the mom" again.