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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 743237" data-attributes="member: 18958">I recall the programs I called describing that there was an initial period where the resident could not leave, but I have to say I do not know the particulars beyond this. I know that they did not expect sobriety upon admission, and certainly I am unprepared to say what kinds of facilities would benefit Elsi's daughter or any other person.&nbsp; What I do know is that these facilities follow the social model and that is a model that from my reading, is well-thought of.&nbsp; But I can't defend it and won't. Thus far my son is not into hard drugs as far as I know and I hope that remains the case.Nobody is talking optimal. I am putting forth one idea about one resource that may or may not fit for any particular person. Elsi had described a situation in her area where there is a dearth of resources. I only provided this idea based upon my own experience which is admittedly very limited.I will say that most prisoners become abstinent only with NA and AA meetings and a large dose of chapel and volunteer bible study. There are drugs and alcohol in prison. And some of those prisoners upon release do maintain their sobriety. I believe that if we confine ourselves to accepting only the optimal, which is unavailable and we refuse or reject the good enough, this presents the greater risk. But that is only one person's point of view. My own. Many private addiction doctors, as I understand it, supervise detox and withdrawal on an outpatient basis, which may also be an option for Elsi's daughter, if she is motivated. But I cannot say one way or another.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 743237, member: 18958"] I recall the programs I called describing that there was an initial period where the resident could not leave, but I have to say I do not know the particulars beyond this. I know that they did not expect sobriety upon admission, and certainly I am unprepared to say what kinds of facilities would benefit Elsi's daughter or any other person. What I do know is that these facilities follow the social model and that is a model that from my reading, is well-thought of. But I can't defend it and won't. Thus far my son is not into hard drugs as far as I know and I hope that remains the case. Nobody is talking optimal. I am putting forth one idea about one resource that may or may not fit for any particular person. Elsi had described a situation in her area where there is a dearth of resources. I only provided this idea based upon my own experience which is admittedly very limited. I will say that most prisoners become abstinent only with NA and AA meetings and a large dose of chapel and volunteer bible study. There are drugs and alcohol in prison. And some of those prisoners upon release do maintain their sobriety. I believe that if we confine ourselves to accepting only the optimal, which is unavailable and we refuse or reject the good enough, this presents the greater risk. But that is only one person's point of view. My own. Many private addiction doctors, as I understand it, supervise detox and withdrawal on an outpatient basis, which may also be an option for Elsi's daughter, if she is motivated. But I cannot say one way or another. [/QUOTE]

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