Shower Time :)

Discussion in 'General Parenting' started by crabby erin, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. crabby erin

    crabby erin New Member

    Hi! I'm new here today! I have 2 adopted boys, ages 13 and almost 12.
    The 13 yr old is easy to handle compared to the 12 year old!

    The 12 yr old is back in State custody for now, because I could no longer care for him. I needed to get him into a PRTF about 2 yrs ago, and letting the State take over was the only way. He destroyed my apartment from windows to doors, tvs to stereos, knick-knacks to antiques!!!!

    Anyway, where we are today: He is in a foster home here in town. I have him overnight once a week and all day on Sundays. His behavior is spiraling once again and amidst all that - HE STINKS!!! I can't, nor can his foster parents, get him to shower or brush teeth regularly.

    diagnosed with everything: Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD), PTSD, BiPolar, Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD), MR, every dr. says something different.

    Any suggestions?:laugh:
  2. SomewhereOutThere

    SomewhereOutThere Well-Known Member

    Having adopted three kids from foster care, only one is still with our family. I have found that older adopted kids usually come with too much baggage--ours was extremely dangerous. We terminated the adoption--he was molesting our younger adopted kids (they are still with us--the younger adoptions worked; the older adoptions did not). I would say that if you want to retain custody, you may have to parent him from your home while he lives elsewhere. He likely does have a form of attachment disorder and whatever else he may have inherited from his biological parents. If he was exposed to drugs/drinking in utero, he could have alcohol effects too. It's possible you may never find out everything that is wrong.
    I'm sorry this happened. We adopt to try to give kids a home and love and we also want children. But I have found that many kids don't want love and are worse when we love them. There are some kids that can't be helped, a big shock to me!
    Good luck with whatever you decide.
  3. Andy

    Andy Active Member

    Hard when shower time is so important physically but the child is not yet ready emotionally or academically!

    I took my 12 yr old difficult child into the Health & Beauty area of Wal-Mart and just walked him down the "mens" aisle. I asked him if there was anything in this area of the store he needed or would like. I was so surprised when he knew EXACTLY what kind of anti-persperent he wanted - must have been commercials since husband does not use it. I let difficult child purchase WHATEVER he wanted for hair care, body washes, toothpaste, ect. That seems to help a little to get him to shower (not always successful). He has a basket in the bathroom for his items.
  4. Marguerite

    Marguerite Active Member

    what worked for us - I don't know if it will work for you - was I threatend to go into the bathroom with the boy and shower him myself, scrubbing his back and anywhere else. He had the option of wearing his swimsuit (Speedo briefs, known in Australia as "budgie smugglers") but I didn't make that too obviously known, I did let the boy think I was going to see him in the altogether if he didn't wash himself.

    Same thing with hair washing.

    Mind you, difficult child 1 was hydrophobic, very. He literally went years without washing his hair.

    Something else that has got the message through - as teen acne kicks in, I get picking and cleaning. And the longer they stall washing their hair, the worse the skin on face and back will get. So to prevent Mum having plenty to attack, they need to keep their hair clean and skin clean.

    Persuasion is always best, of course. Finding what the problem is (sometimes it's simply inertia, they're busy playing acomputer game or reading a book and just don't want to move) can help. For example, difficult child 3 has been difficult about showering lately; he said last time that he wants to go back to having a bath instead of a shower. That is what worked for difficult child 1 as well, espeically with the hair washing. it gave him more feeling of control over where the water goes.

    We have a large bathtub and I laid in good supplies of bath bombs and bubble bath. NEVER use soap in a bathtub, use bubble bath instead. Forextracleaning, put shower gel or bubble bath onto a sponge. Soap is made from fat, it will leave a ring around the rub even if you're washing a clean body. If you have bubble bath, soap will kill the bubbles really fast. In fact, if you overdose your washing machine or dishwasher, just dunk a bar of soap in the water and swish it about for a minute, the overload of foam will die down fast.

    Bubble bath, shower gel and shampoo tend to be detergent-based, not soap-based.

    I also insist on deodorant being put on immediately after a bath (I get the super-strength stuff, 22% aluminium chlorhydrate, for teenagers especially boys). We don't want to waste a wash.

    Clothing that has been on a sweaty body should not go back on to a clean body, or the sweat smell transfers (even if he puts deodorant on). But trying to clean up teen male sweaty clothing is tricky.

    Here's what works for us -

    1) pre-treat clothing with white vinegar. Buy the cheapest industrial-grade white vinegar, not your best salad stuff.

    2) if it's really bad, put the vinegared clothing into a warm (not hot) pre-soak with an enzyme soaker. Some laundry detergents can double as pre-soak. Findwhat works.

    3) Wash the clothing, possibly in a load on its own (smells can transfer to non-smelly clothing). Wash in COLD water using a cold water detergent. If you hot wash, you risk cooking the smells in. Smelly sweat is a protein, hot water cooks proteins.

    4) If you need to, repeat these steps. You should only need to do this if it's REALLY bad; I've successfully cleaned the absolute worst stuff by the third wash.

    Once we were into a routine, one wash was enough, often I didn't need the pre-soak. But always we use the vinegar. We kept a pump spray bottle full of vinegar in te laundry for fast & easy application.

    You get into a routine of throwing stuff in the laundry and splashing on the vinegar as you do - it doesn't matter if it's days before washing day and it dries, because the low pH is in the clothing and as soon as it gets wet in the wash, it is active again.

    We stopped the "basket in the room" routine, because nothing was going into it a lot of the itme; and when it did, it never made it out to the laundry. Instead we organised for the kids to either toss their laundry outside the bedroom door or then to walk it further and put it into the laundry tub. That's the point at which to add the vinegar (it will even remove sweat stains, even long-term ones, although the pre-soak detergent helps there). It was messy and seemed undisciplined to have the laundry outside the bedroom door, but at least it was out of the room and not stinking it up. And as it turned out, it became the first step in training them to first put the dirty washing in the laundry themselves, and finally to do it themselves (now they don't live at home, except for difficult child 3).

    it shouldn't matter if you have a different routine to foster mom, because kids DO quickly learn "different strokes for different folks" but if you can collaborate with foster mom you might find a coordinated approach works more effectively.

    But if you do as we did and "offer" to scrub his back for him and wash his hair for him, be prepared to follow through.

    I've also sent my kids back in to wash properly, if they came out and 'forgot' to wash hair, for example.

    Another issue to consider - sensory problems. If he has sensory integration issues then washing himself or his clothing can be a HUGE hassle. We had this with difficult child 1 - while he was at school I would swoop on his room, strip his bed, collect his pyjamas and any clothing I could find, wash the lot, have it dry and back exactly where it had been, by the time he got home form school. But instead of being grateful for a clean-smelling bed he was upset. His bed and PJs didn't smell right, he said. They didn't feel right, either, and he couldn't get to sleep that night because things smelled wrong.

    Of course that's tough cheddar, difficult child 1 had to put up with this and learn to adapt to the smell of CLEAN, but this was a big factor in his resistance.

    Getting interested in girls was a big incentive to cleaning up. Also when he was seriously depressed, we had a lot more trouble getting him to wash or even to look after himself. His school would ring me and complain, I explained I was doing my best but I was worried too. Antidepressants helped.

    It's summer where you are. That cna add to the smelly problem but you have access to something in summer thta you haven't got in winter - the garden hose. I have threatened to take him outside and hose him down, as if I was bathing the family dog in the wheelbarrow.

    Agian, whatever you threaten, you have to be preared to follow through. So don't threaten anything which is likely to provoke a major meltdown.

    Incentives can work even better, if you can find something that is sufficient incentive. For difficult child 3, it was bath bombs. easy child 2/difficult child 2 insists on such complete control that she bought herself a digital cooking thermometer and uses it to get her bath water to EXACTLY 42 C. Having control can help a lot. Offering some sort of bribe (an activity together, for example) as incentive after he's washed properly, can help.

  5. midwestdad

    midwestdad Lost

    We have the same thing here with one of our guys. Incentives had no effect at all. I got him into the shower with me, fully clothed, after a half hour of battling. We're trying some desensitivation to see if it helps.
  6. nvts

    nvts Active Member

    Erin! I love the name!

    Since one of the diagnosis's is Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD), it could be a sensory issue that has him "stuck". The feel of the shower beating on him could be too much and could actually feel like "stinging" to him. It could also be the over perfumed or soapy smell of things that gets to him.

    Sensory issues are a witch to beat, but if you put it in their perspective they don't really feel the "pull" of social graces (you know, like stinking up a room!) so bathing doesn't matter to them.

    I'd sit down with him in a really relaxed setting (even at 12, conversations over an ice cream sundae will get some sort of result) and ask him why he hates bathing so much. difficult child 1 never hated it, but was a pain in the pants when it came to sending him up for his shower. Turns out he was afraid to be upstairs alone and that he thought he might fall in the shower and die. So, when he's getting a shower I "perch on the pot" and play a handheld solitaire game. Mindnumbingly boring - but now he doesn't stink!

    If he gives you the "I don't know" bit, ask specific questions: Are the towels scratchy, does the water hit too hard (a bath rather than a shower), the smell or feel of the soap, body wash, shampoo, etc. (take him shopping to pick his own products)?

    It's a pain in the posterior, but sometimes we have to cater to the whims because it's just not worth fighting about!

    Welcome to the crowd!

  7. Fran

    Fran Former Site Owner

    It's was a battle.
    This is one of those times when "do to get" works. If there is something he wants(movie, treat, special activity) Nothing happens until he showers with soap, washes hair and brushes teeth. Picking out his own personal hygiene items is a plus.

    One night a week isn't too much to ask for a shower.
  8. Christy

    Christy New Member

    I'm thinking along the same line as Fran. Mention a new movie that's playing and if he expresses an interest in going to see it then shrug and say that you'd take him except that it is terribly uncomfortable and embarrassing to be with someone with such bad body odor. Offer a shower but don't push it. Ask him if he's okay with peanut butter sandwiches for dinner since you were planning to go out to a restaurant but again the whole BO thing is a problem.
  9. crabby erin

    crabby erin New Member

    Thanks for the ideas/advice everyone :)
  10. Wiped Out

    Wiped Out Well-Known Member Staff Member

    My difficult child is the same way. Hates to get in the shower (yet once in he spends huge amounts of time in there). With our difficult child, we do it Fran's way, do to get. Tonight it was strawberries (of all things), he wanted them but until that shower was taken he wasn't getting them. He is sitting next to me now smelling much better than he did awhile ago (a day at camp left him less than pleasant to be around).