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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 573679" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>Having animals, even pets, outside is far from cruel. That is absurd. </p><p></p><p>I'll concede that people are often neglectful and sometimes cruel to their outside pets, but that doesn't make them living outside a cruel act in and of itself. An animal is not human, no matter how much we love them and attempt to make it so. And I could care less if that is currently "politically correct" or not. It's the simple truth. </p><p></p><p>Rowdy was born outside, has spent his entire 14 yrs outside. He's always had a good dog house and his kennel so he doesn't have to be hooked up to a chain/lead 24/7, and a yard to romp in for exercise. During winter his kennel and house is insulated with straw to help keep him warm. I have no doubt it works for him. Despite being an outside dog, he's lived quite a happy spoiled life. Would I do it again? Probably not by choice as it's more difficult in my opinion to make certain you're giving them plenty of attention. </p><p></p><p>Does this happen with every outside dog? Nope. Not going to say it does. Although most I've known it has been that way. I know it was for all our dogs growing up as well........and they were on a chain most of the time. I don't care for chains though, not like that. Depends on the set up though. I've seen dogs living on leads that spanned the entire length of their yard giving them plenty of roaming room without getting tangled. But whether they're mistreated or not depends on the owner, not whether they live inside or not. People tend to believe that having the dog outside will be so much easier than inside when the opposite is true. At least in my experience. </p><p></p><p>(I'm not talking about dogs bred specifically to be inside lap dogs either that is a different story altogether) </p><p></p><p>Cats? I was an adult before I saw my first inside cat, and I thought it was ridiculous. Here you fix up this box so they can actually potty in your house (of all places, same folks would die if their dog did that) and pay money to put stuff in it so it doesn't reek up your house. They declaw them to prevent them from destroying the place with scratching or let them scratch and ruin everything.....just to have it inside. They got the cat up on surfaces where they're going to put their food and eat. The same cat that goes in that box and covers it with his feet. (that is beyond disgusting by the way) And some how all of this is a "good" thing and acceptable. Uh, no. It's not the cats I mind so much, it's their habits when inside that totally turn me off. Ick and destructive. </p><p></p><p>You're just not going to convince me that a cat belongs inside when you have to set up an area for them to potty inside. Not happening. Defenseless kitten yes, cat no. </p><p></p><p>Now, just like with dogs, if you have a person who tosses their cat out and just forget about them.........no shelter, no food, no attention whatever.....well, that IS cruel. Otherwise cats, like dogs, have been living outside for thousands of years. Contrary to current "politically correct" opinions, there are many cats who actually prefer to be outside rather than inside. So there ya go. </p><p></p><p>My outside cats (by default, they adopted me not the other way around) don't have it so bad. They've never skipped a meal and are on the plump side. They have a nice shelter on the porch facing out of the wind insulated with straw to hold in body heat....on the porch to keep it out of the worst of the weather. Trust me, when I'm outside I can't ignore them if I wanted and I must be doing ok in the attention dept because they're as affectionate as Bruce. </p><p></p><p>During horrible weather outside animals are brought inside. A PITA but I am not cruel. (which is how I know the outside cats can use the litterbox)</p><p></p><p>easy child has too many cats of her own to take him, which is why I got stuck with him. Three of hers are now outside cats. Simba because he reached a certain age and flat out refused to use the litter box. (so what else do you do with a cat like that? hmm? No Urinary Tract Infection (UTI) nothing, just refused) Two others who just prefer to be outside and spend 99.9 percent of their time out rather than in. Nichole has too many animals to even consider asking.</p><p></p><p>I've attempted to rehome him over the years. Ask step lol Almost had my sis from Texas talked into it but she didn't want to deal with a cat that long in a car. People come here and fawn all over him and he eats it up. He's not the least bit shy. He has no horrible cat habits, other than what appear to be normal cat behavior. Problem is they don't leave with him. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/sigh.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":sigh:" title="sigh :sigh:" data-shortname=":sigh:" /></p><p></p><p>His transfer outside wouldn't be sudden, unless this potty issue just became severe. Nor is it "unknown" to him. Once he grew into a cat, Bruce goes in and out as he pleases. I make no move to stop him. He's even stayed out overnight because he didn't ask to come in before I went to bed. He doesn't leave the yard nor more than Minnie or Midnight do. But if he continues to go poo all over the house he will be eased outside completely unless someone suddenly decides they want him. (which hasn't happened in 6 yrs so doubtful it's just going to magically happen)</p><p></p><p>If that is "mean" or "cruel" then so be it. Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 573679, member: 84"] Having animals, even pets, outside is far from cruel. That is absurd. I'll concede that people are often neglectful and sometimes cruel to their outside pets, but that doesn't make them living outside a cruel act in and of itself. An animal is not human, no matter how much we love them and attempt to make it so. And I could care less if that is currently "politically correct" or not. It's the simple truth. Rowdy was born outside, has spent his entire 14 yrs outside. He's always had a good dog house and his kennel so he doesn't have to be hooked up to a chain/lead 24/7, and a yard to romp in for exercise. During winter his kennel and house is insulated with straw to help keep him warm. I have no doubt it works for him. Despite being an outside dog, he's lived quite a happy spoiled life. Would I do it again? Probably not by choice as it's more difficult in my opinion to make certain you're giving them plenty of attention. Does this happen with every outside dog? Nope. Not going to say it does. Although most I've known it has been that way. I know it was for all our dogs growing up as well........and they were on a chain most of the time. I don't care for chains though, not like that. Depends on the set up though. I've seen dogs living on leads that spanned the entire length of their yard giving them plenty of roaming room without getting tangled. But whether they're mistreated or not depends on the owner, not whether they live inside or not. People tend to believe that having the dog outside will be so much easier than inside when the opposite is true. At least in my experience. (I'm not talking about dogs bred specifically to be inside lap dogs either that is a different story altogether) Cats? I was an adult before I saw my first inside cat, and I thought it was ridiculous. Here you fix up this box so they can actually potty in your house (of all places, same folks would die if their dog did that) and pay money to put stuff in it so it doesn't reek up your house. They declaw them to prevent them from destroying the place with scratching or let them scratch and ruin everything.....just to have it inside. They got the cat up on surfaces where they're going to put their food and eat. The same cat that goes in that box and covers it with his feet. (that is beyond disgusting by the way) And some how all of this is a "good" thing and acceptable. Uh, no. It's not the cats I mind so much, it's their habits when inside that totally turn me off. Ick and destructive. You're just not going to convince me that a cat belongs inside when you have to set up an area for them to potty inside. Not happening. Defenseless kitten yes, cat no. Now, just like with dogs, if you have a person who tosses their cat out and just forget about them.........no shelter, no food, no attention whatever.....well, that IS cruel. Otherwise cats, like dogs, have been living outside for thousands of years. Contrary to current "politically correct" opinions, there are many cats who actually prefer to be outside rather than inside. So there ya go. My outside cats (by default, they adopted me not the other way around) don't have it so bad. They've never skipped a meal and are on the plump side. They have a nice shelter on the porch facing out of the wind insulated with straw to hold in body heat....on the porch to keep it out of the worst of the weather. Trust me, when I'm outside I can't ignore them if I wanted and I must be doing ok in the attention dept because they're as affectionate as Bruce. During horrible weather outside animals are brought inside. A PITA but I am not cruel. (which is how I know the outside cats can use the litterbox) easy child has too many cats of her own to take him, which is why I got stuck with him. Three of hers are now outside cats. Simba because he reached a certain age and flat out refused to use the litter box. (so what else do you do with a cat like that? hmm? No Urinary Tract Infection (UTI) nothing, just refused) Two others who just prefer to be outside and spend 99.9 percent of their time out rather than in. Nichole has too many animals to even consider asking. I've attempted to rehome him over the years. Ask step lol Almost had my sis from Texas talked into it but she didn't want to deal with a cat that long in a car. People come here and fawn all over him and he eats it up. He's not the least bit shy. He has no horrible cat habits, other than what appear to be normal cat behavior. Problem is they don't leave with him. :sigh: His transfer outside wouldn't be sudden, unless this potty issue just became severe. Nor is it "unknown" to him. Once he grew into a cat, Bruce goes in and out as he pleases. I make no move to stop him. He's even stayed out overnight because he didn't ask to come in before I went to bed. He doesn't leave the yard nor more than Minnie or Midnight do. But if he continues to go poo all over the house he will be eased outside completely unless someone suddenly decides they want him. (which hasn't happened in 6 yrs so doubtful it's just going to magically happen) If that is "mean" or "cruel" then so be it. Then we'll just have to agree to disagree. [/QUOTE]
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