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So Angry at All the Lying, Stealing and Sneaking
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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 272010" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>If your 12 yo does not currently have theory of mind, then this (to my mind) increases the chances of her having a diagnosis on the autism spectrum somewhere, and makes it all the mmore important for her to have a thorough neuropsychologist assessment.</p><p></p><p>This is not to say that theory of mind will never come - difficult child 3 now has theory of mind. I can apply the test and he does get it, but he has to think about it and when challenged to think fast, he can get it wrong.</p><p></p><p>Something else to test (out of pure curiosity) is the Piaget conservation tests. At 12 she should conserve. There are other tests also; they are fairly rough by modern test standards but can give hints of where to look.</p><p></p><p>But before you go doing too much of your own testing, try to organise a thorough professional assessment. If achild is tested too often, all that happens is tey get so good atr doing tests, they remember the quesitons and have tie to think about them and therefore the results are likely to give a false high.</p><p></p><p>For example - we bought a software package that screamed on the label, "BOOST YOUR IQ!!!!!!!"</p><p>I played with it and by the third time trough, I was getting a perfect score - 200.</p><p>Now I KNOW my iQ is not 200. OK, it's high, but not THAT high. I had just remembered the correct answers. And the total number of possible questions in this package was very limited, so it really is a very poor test, but great for your self-esteem.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 272010, member: 1991"] If your 12 yo does not currently have theory of mind, then this (to my mind) increases the chances of her having a diagnosis on the autism spectrum somewhere, and makes it all the mmore important for her to have a thorough neuropsychologist assessment. This is not to say that theory of mind will never come - difficult child 3 now has theory of mind. I can apply the test and he does get it, but he has to think about it and when challenged to think fast, he can get it wrong. Something else to test (out of pure curiosity) is the Piaget conservation tests. At 12 she should conserve. There are other tests also; they are fairly rough by modern test standards but can give hints of where to look. But before you go doing too much of your own testing, try to organise a thorough professional assessment. If achild is tested too often, all that happens is tey get so good atr doing tests, they remember the quesitons and have tie to think about them and therefore the results are likely to give a false high. For example - we bought a software package that screamed on the label, "BOOST YOUR IQ!!!!!!!" I played with it and by the third time trough, I was getting a perfect score - 200. Now I KNOW my iQ is not 200. OK, it's high, but not THAT high. I had just remembered the correct answers. And the total number of possible questions in this package was very limited, so it really is a very poor test, but great for your self-esteem. Marg [/QUOTE]
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