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So the neuropsychologist report said...NORMAL????
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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 439607" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>This is a huge issue in this type of testing. esp what Janet went through. HEr np had no clue that she previously had a gifted IQ ans now was so far below that. Likely because she didn't bother to listen or didn't believe the history. I have found almost exclusively that the nps and psychometrists (tdocs who train to give and interpret these tests) pretty much ignore the history - not a bad thing because they do such a bad job of taking it that the mistakes are huge and glaring and they refuse to correct them unless forced to. We even ahd one who said we were LYING about wiz' ability to read at age 3. </p><p></p><p>Not all neuropsychs are able or WILLING to give the great results you got earlier. Not all will do it consistently throughout their career. Regardless of the fact that the test results are printed in black and white, the results are incredibly subjective and the degree of bias is substantial and can be enormous. We had one tester who took Wiz' scores and said taht in no way did he have the IQ taht he tested for. Why? because he would not talk about what she wanted to talk about. So she tried to say his IQ was around 99-110, which is FAR lower than it actually is. Another said that thank you was likely MR and just tested well because we used too many big words at home.??????? In reality his IQ is more than twice what she said the tests showed. that is according to others who looked at the exact same test results that she looked at. They just were not irritated by his shirt chewing and reactions to her very loud gum cracking through the entire test. And on a test with-o someone cracking and smacking and slurping gum while he was taking it he scored even higher (this is a kid who was discussing the time-space continuum at age four - no way was he retarded mentally.)</p><p></p><p>IF you trust this np, and you must have before this because you have raved about nps for years and recommended them to all of us no matter what, then you need to explore other reasons for Jumper's struggles. Is she the type to slack off? Remember that sports can be physically exhausting and often students who are in sports love them and won't admit how tired they can get, so sometimes this hurts grades. Also schoolwork isn't fun for her, so there may be a tendency to rush through it.</p><p></p><p>But there could be other issues. has she been tested for Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD) and other speed/hearing issues? How about sensory issues? thank you is brilliant but could NOT learn things when overwhelmed. SO he would test fine on the np tests but in real life would have entire days when no info was being processed. I just put attendance in his 504 so he couldn't be penalized for needing to stay home and we kept him home those days. IF we hadn't kept him home he would have missed weeks at a time most likely and would have had outbursts in the classroom or at home plus it might have driven him nuts. I "get" how it feels because I have my own sensory issues that are pretty bad. Heck, I cannot even have a conversation if there is a radio on. NOt with-o going nuts.</p><p></p><p>There is also the fact that reading is an incredibly complex task. Learning to read is like building a brick wall. You can get the wall high enough and fairly strong so maybe it LOOKS ok from some perspectives, but still be missing some or even a LOT of bricks. Wiz had problems with reading but it took a family friend spending hours with him over a period of months to find it. she is a reading specialist and this is what she does and it took her a LONG time to find it. He learned to read words in chunks and not as indiv words or letters, so sometimes he had huge comprehension problems. THings like that can look normal on tests.</p><p></p><p>I hope you keep her 504. in my opinion she still needs it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 439607, member: 1233"] This is a huge issue in this type of testing. esp what Janet went through. HEr np had no clue that she previously had a gifted IQ ans now was so far below that. Likely because she didn't bother to listen or didn't believe the history. I have found almost exclusively that the nps and psychometrists (tdocs who train to give and interpret these tests) pretty much ignore the history - not a bad thing because they do such a bad job of taking it that the mistakes are huge and glaring and they refuse to correct them unless forced to. We even ahd one who said we were LYING about wiz' ability to read at age 3. Not all neuropsychs are able or WILLING to give the great results you got earlier. Not all will do it consistently throughout their career. Regardless of the fact that the test results are printed in black and white, the results are incredibly subjective and the degree of bias is substantial and can be enormous. We had one tester who took Wiz' scores and said taht in no way did he have the IQ taht he tested for. Why? because he would not talk about what she wanted to talk about. So she tried to say his IQ was around 99-110, which is FAR lower than it actually is. Another said that thank you was likely MR and just tested well because we used too many big words at home.??????? In reality his IQ is more than twice what she said the tests showed. that is according to others who looked at the exact same test results that she looked at. They just were not irritated by his shirt chewing and reactions to her very loud gum cracking through the entire test. And on a test with-o someone cracking and smacking and slurping gum while he was taking it he scored even higher (this is a kid who was discussing the time-space continuum at age four - no way was he retarded mentally.) IF you trust this np, and you must have before this because you have raved about nps for years and recommended them to all of us no matter what, then you need to explore other reasons for Jumper's struggles. Is she the type to slack off? Remember that sports can be physically exhausting and often students who are in sports love them and won't admit how tired they can get, so sometimes this hurts grades. Also schoolwork isn't fun for her, so there may be a tendency to rush through it. But there could be other issues. has she been tested for Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD) and other speed/hearing issues? How about sensory issues? thank you is brilliant but could NOT learn things when overwhelmed. SO he would test fine on the np tests but in real life would have entire days when no info was being processed. I just put attendance in his 504 so he couldn't be penalized for needing to stay home and we kept him home those days. IF we hadn't kept him home he would have missed weeks at a time most likely and would have had outbursts in the classroom or at home plus it might have driven him nuts. I "get" how it feels because I have my own sensory issues that are pretty bad. Heck, I cannot even have a conversation if there is a radio on. NOt with-o going nuts. There is also the fact that reading is an incredibly complex task. Learning to read is like building a brick wall. You can get the wall high enough and fairly strong so maybe it LOOKS ok from some perspectives, but still be missing some or even a LOT of bricks. Wiz had problems with reading but it took a family friend spending hours with him over a period of months to find it. she is a reading specialist and this is what she does and it took her a LONG time to find it. He learned to read words in chunks and not as indiv words or letters, so sometimes he had huge comprehension problems. THings like that can look normal on tests. I hope you keep her 504. in my opinion she still needs it. [/QUOTE]
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