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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 528502" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>Your husband is right. You cannot teach a child anything if you are above or below his level. It just doesn't work this way.</p><p></p><p>What is V interested in? I was an aide in Wiz' first grade class. Many of the kids were in school for the first time and had never seen letters before - quite literally. One little boy was quite bloodthirsty and totally adored Halloween. His parents let him watch Chuckie and the Friday the 13th movies instead of Barney and Blues Clues. So he knew NOTHING that didn't involve blood. I made a little alphabet book at home for him with Halloween themed things for the letter - candy or monsters. In three weeks he could identify the letters and give their sounds. NO ONE, not teacher, not reading teacher, not Speech Language Pathologist (SLP), had gotten him to make ANY progress and all wanted to know how I did it.</p><p></p><p>When I homeschooled Wiz we did very well because ALL lessons revolved around a theme that he and I chose together for the month. I wrote math problems using dinosaurs, pokemon, and quite a few other things. We did science experiments based on those things. We read and did EVERYTHING mostly based on the theme - and he rarely balked at doing schoolwork or got violent with me over it. He would wake me up if I took a nap with J and T so that we could do school and until then he LOATHED school because it was so boring and he was always in trouble. </p><p></p><p>find what V is interested in and make the lessons revolve around that. Make alphabets based on whatever he is interested in. Cook foods he likes with him (cookies and cakes) to help him learn numbers. Bring as many different senses into each lesson as possible. I used to make batches of koolaid playdough to make letters and shapes and numbers out of. Koolaid added to a playdough recipe means bright colors and scents that are appealing (and it is cheap esp if you use a store brand). Just use the little unsweetened envelopes and involve the kids in the process. Count the cups of flour, salt, water, oil. Use mini oreos and other cookies/candy to do math with. Get a problem right? Eat the m&ms. Get it wrong? do it over and you can't eat them until you get it right. I used to get the bags of baking m&ms for this bc they are mini size so you get more to the package. Plus less sugar in my kids - Wiz got mean if he had sugar on an empty stomach.</p><p></p><p>This Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is an idiot. There is NO WAY that V is going to be able to write the letters until he can say them. It is meaningless to him. Cut the letters out of sandpaper and glue it onto wood or a stiff backing and have him trace them with his hands as he says them. Include activities to build up the muscles in his hands and his fine motor skills. Until these are fairly well developed he is actually UNABLE to write the letters. This is a montessori technique that works very well. Make them out of as many textures as you can find. For writing get him tub crayons and let him write in the tub. Heck, give the kid a popsicle and let him draw ont he side of the tub with the popsicle if he wants. Wiz adored that - only place he got popsicles because he put them in his pockets - eeeuuuuwwwww esp a week later after I didn't know he got one and Dad tossed it n the hamper. </p><p></p><p>Try pudding paints. Make instant pudding and add food coloring. Let V draw wtih it if he likes finger painting. Let him eat as much as he wants. Heck, give him cookies to draw on with the pudding and then keep them in the fridge for a snack. </p><p></p><p>But in NO way should he EVER be forced to do ANY boring things with letters - not EVER. it will turn him off of reading/writing and he will NEVER get over it with-o tons of work from youI drove teachers NUTS refusing to make Wiz do homework that was years behind his level. But Wiz went into kdg reading chapter books with over 100 pages in 2-3 hours - and dictating fan fiction and book reports about them to me. He couldn't wrte worth a darn but he was seriously hyperlexic. I did work with a LOT of his classmates who had problems because I love to read and was able to make the kids love it too by bringing it to them in a form that interested them. The bloodthirsty kid was one of many I worked with. </p><p></p><p>This Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is being an idiot. Ask WHY he won't work with V on V's level, and how V is to magically get to that level when he has NO interest and is missing so many building blocks that are needed to be able to do what the Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is asking. Also ask WHY this cannot be done more interestingly. Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is right that working every day is helpful, but not if it totally turns the kid off. Heck, I had a cousin who read very well until he was pulled out of Montessori to go to the daycare at the school where he would go to kdg. He then refused to read because it wasn't 'cool'. His gma, my great aunt, was distraught. Finally she called and asked me what to do because my aunt and this cousin's parents (cousins of my dad's) could do NOTHING with him and I always could - no idea why but he always did what I asked iwth no problems or sass (NOT his character). I told her to get him a subscription to sports illustrated for kids and for every issue he read to her then take him to a ball game - pro, minor league, high school, middle school, any kind of game, any sport they wanted, but give him that carrot. After the second issue came he got a game for each issue that arrived within a week. In kdg. he KNEW how to read, but it wasn't 'cool' so he played stupid. He got a carrot he liked, he read for them. </p><p></p><p>THIS is how you get a kid to learn. If it isn't fun, what on EARTH would make them do it? WHY would anyone think that any child that age could/should/would do something as boring as what this Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) wants? Is he an idiot or just a slow learner?? (the Speech Language Pathologist (SLP), I have a feeling that V is very bright but there is a disconnect that has the idiot experts thinking he isn't. been there done that with quite a few kids I know and in later years they get the tools to unlock their brains and suddenly people realize they are flat out brilliant by by then the idiot experts have done so much damage that the kids take years to realize it if they ever do. It is a problem I dealt with a LOT in our homeschool coop in Cincy - I gave a LOT of advice to people who thought that kids needed the memorization type learning that so many of us had. It just is not as effective.</p><p></p><p>Does V like the computer? Get a jumpstart preK program or whatever looks like he would like it and let him PLAY PLAY PLAY PLAY PLAY with it. Leapfrog has fun ones and some awesome videos (some are on netflix if you have that) and they are also at walmart or wherever. Wrap the learning in the fun and he will learn soooo much faster.</p><p></p><p>I am soooo mystified by why ANY professional who teaches kids would think they can skip steps to things like reading/writing and be able to write a letter perfectly and understand it, esp when presented in a boooooooooorrrriiiiinnnngggg way. I seriously think someone dropped this Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) on his head as a baby or something. Talk about idiotic and totally not having a flipping clue! I think the Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) has the problem more than V does.</p><p></p><p>There are more than one kind of intelligence. Each and EVERY kind should be CELEBRATED, not just readin', writin' and 'rithmetic. One kid I know how is a year older than Wiz couldn't even tell the days of the week in third-fourth grade. His mom was a librarian but he couldn't read yet. She was patient but refused to let him be in sp ed or be diagnosis'd though he was totally autistic in many classic ways - far more than Wiz ever was. But give the kid the most complex lego or lincoln log instructions and he could set them up in half the time it would take someone twice his age - by age 6. I am talking sets that were $200+ and they were so clear to him. <strong>I</strong> was unable to do many of these and I am good at that kind of thing. It took YEARS for his parents to grasp that he was NOT stupid, he had a learning disorder or six. I used to want to just bang his mom and dad's heads together - finally his Gpa did bang something against his dad's head - some kind of wrench - because Dad was at the kid's birthday party telling several people how stupid the kid was and how he wasn't getting another party ever because he was too dumb. About ten of us cheered when Gpa smacked him hard with that wrench. Gpa warned him to not talk about his gkid that way, and Gpa never kidded about stuff like that. The dad had a lump that was visible for a week, and even though he had been a state trooper he couldn't file charges because NONE of us would admit we saw anything - and we had been with Gpa ALL DAY. So it was mean of all of us, but the dad needed it nad NEVER said that in public or around the kid again that anyone knew. Given the kid's echolalia, we all knew he was hearing that nonsense somewhere. </p><p></p><p>So that is my longwinded opinion. I am more than willing to help you find or create alphabets and projects that would appeal to V if you want. That is an age where I love to work with them 1 on 1 with this stuff. It is just fun to watch them learn, or to hear about it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 528502, member: 1233"] Your husband is right. You cannot teach a child anything if you are above or below his level. It just doesn't work this way. What is V interested in? I was an aide in Wiz' first grade class. Many of the kids were in school for the first time and had never seen letters before - quite literally. One little boy was quite bloodthirsty and totally adored Halloween. His parents let him watch Chuckie and the Friday the 13th movies instead of Barney and Blues Clues. So he knew NOTHING that didn't involve blood. I made a little alphabet book at home for him with Halloween themed things for the letter - candy or monsters. In three weeks he could identify the letters and give their sounds. NO ONE, not teacher, not reading teacher, not Speech Language Pathologist (SLP), had gotten him to make ANY progress and all wanted to know how I did it. When I homeschooled Wiz we did very well because ALL lessons revolved around a theme that he and I chose together for the month. I wrote math problems using dinosaurs, pokemon, and quite a few other things. We did science experiments based on those things. We read and did EVERYTHING mostly based on the theme - and he rarely balked at doing schoolwork or got violent with me over it. He would wake me up if I took a nap with J and T so that we could do school and until then he LOATHED school because it was so boring and he was always in trouble. find what V is interested in and make the lessons revolve around that. Make alphabets based on whatever he is interested in. Cook foods he likes with him (cookies and cakes) to help him learn numbers. Bring as many different senses into each lesson as possible. I used to make batches of koolaid playdough to make letters and shapes and numbers out of. Koolaid added to a playdough recipe means bright colors and scents that are appealing (and it is cheap esp if you use a store brand). Just use the little unsweetened envelopes and involve the kids in the process. Count the cups of flour, salt, water, oil. Use mini oreos and other cookies/candy to do math with. Get a problem right? Eat the m&ms. Get it wrong? do it over and you can't eat them until you get it right. I used to get the bags of baking m&ms for this bc they are mini size so you get more to the package. Plus less sugar in my kids - Wiz got mean if he had sugar on an empty stomach. This Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is an idiot. There is NO WAY that V is going to be able to write the letters until he can say them. It is meaningless to him. Cut the letters out of sandpaper and glue it onto wood or a stiff backing and have him trace them with his hands as he says them. Include activities to build up the muscles in his hands and his fine motor skills. Until these are fairly well developed he is actually UNABLE to write the letters. This is a montessori technique that works very well. Make them out of as many textures as you can find. For writing get him tub crayons and let him write in the tub. Heck, give the kid a popsicle and let him draw ont he side of the tub with the popsicle if he wants. Wiz adored that - only place he got popsicles because he put them in his pockets - eeeuuuuwwwww esp a week later after I didn't know he got one and Dad tossed it n the hamper. Try pudding paints. Make instant pudding and add food coloring. Let V draw wtih it if he likes finger painting. Let him eat as much as he wants. Heck, give him cookies to draw on with the pudding and then keep them in the fridge for a snack. But in NO way should he EVER be forced to do ANY boring things with letters - not EVER. it will turn him off of reading/writing and he will NEVER get over it with-o tons of work from youI drove teachers NUTS refusing to make Wiz do homework that was years behind his level. But Wiz went into kdg reading chapter books with over 100 pages in 2-3 hours - and dictating fan fiction and book reports about them to me. He couldn't wrte worth a darn but he was seriously hyperlexic. I did work with a LOT of his classmates who had problems because I love to read and was able to make the kids love it too by bringing it to them in a form that interested them. The bloodthirsty kid was one of many I worked with. This Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is being an idiot. Ask WHY he won't work with V on V's level, and how V is to magically get to that level when he has NO interest and is missing so many building blocks that are needed to be able to do what the Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is asking. Also ask WHY this cannot be done more interestingly. Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) is right that working every day is helpful, but not if it totally turns the kid off. Heck, I had a cousin who read very well until he was pulled out of Montessori to go to the daycare at the school where he would go to kdg. He then refused to read because it wasn't 'cool'. His gma, my great aunt, was distraught. Finally she called and asked me what to do because my aunt and this cousin's parents (cousins of my dad's) could do NOTHING with him and I always could - no idea why but he always did what I asked iwth no problems or sass (NOT his character). I told her to get him a subscription to sports illustrated for kids and for every issue he read to her then take him to a ball game - pro, minor league, high school, middle school, any kind of game, any sport they wanted, but give him that carrot. After the second issue came he got a game for each issue that arrived within a week. In kdg. he KNEW how to read, but it wasn't 'cool' so he played stupid. He got a carrot he liked, he read for them. THIS is how you get a kid to learn. If it isn't fun, what on EARTH would make them do it? WHY would anyone think that any child that age could/should/would do something as boring as what this Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) wants? Is he an idiot or just a slow learner?? (the Speech Language Pathologist (SLP), I have a feeling that V is very bright but there is a disconnect that has the idiot experts thinking he isn't. been there done that with quite a few kids I know and in later years they get the tools to unlock their brains and suddenly people realize they are flat out brilliant by by then the idiot experts have done so much damage that the kids take years to realize it if they ever do. It is a problem I dealt with a LOT in our homeschool coop in Cincy - I gave a LOT of advice to people who thought that kids needed the memorization type learning that so many of us had. It just is not as effective. Does V like the computer? Get a jumpstart preK program or whatever looks like he would like it and let him PLAY PLAY PLAY PLAY PLAY with it. Leapfrog has fun ones and some awesome videos (some are on netflix if you have that) and they are also at walmart or wherever. Wrap the learning in the fun and he will learn soooo much faster. I am soooo mystified by why ANY professional who teaches kids would think they can skip steps to things like reading/writing and be able to write a letter perfectly and understand it, esp when presented in a boooooooooorrrriiiiinnnngggg way. I seriously think someone dropped this Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) on his head as a baby or something. Talk about idiotic and totally not having a flipping clue! I think the Speech Language Pathologist (SLP) has the problem more than V does. There are more than one kind of intelligence. Each and EVERY kind should be CELEBRATED, not just readin', writin' and 'rithmetic. One kid I know how is a year older than Wiz couldn't even tell the days of the week in third-fourth grade. His mom was a librarian but he couldn't read yet. She was patient but refused to let him be in sp ed or be diagnosis'd though he was totally autistic in many classic ways - far more than Wiz ever was. But give the kid the most complex lego or lincoln log instructions and he could set them up in half the time it would take someone twice his age - by age 6. I am talking sets that were $200+ and they were so clear to him. [B]I[/B] was unable to do many of these and I am good at that kind of thing. It took YEARS for his parents to grasp that he was NOT stupid, he had a learning disorder or six. I used to want to just bang his mom and dad's heads together - finally his Gpa did bang something against his dad's head - some kind of wrench - because Dad was at the kid's birthday party telling several people how stupid the kid was and how he wasn't getting another party ever because he was too dumb. About ten of us cheered when Gpa smacked him hard with that wrench. Gpa warned him to not talk about his gkid that way, and Gpa never kidded about stuff like that. The dad had a lump that was visible for a week, and even though he had been a state trooper he couldn't file charges because NONE of us would admit we saw anything - and we had been with Gpa ALL DAY. So it was mean of all of us, but the dad needed it nad NEVER said that in public or around the kid again that anyone knew. Given the kid's echolalia, we all knew he was hearing that nonsense somewhere. So that is my longwinded opinion. I am more than willing to help you find or create alphabets and projects that would appeal to V if you want. That is an age where I love to work with them 1 on 1 with this stuff. It is just fun to watch them learn, or to hear about it. [/QUOTE]
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