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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 359472" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>I see where you are coming from, Marcie, but this isn't how they are looking at things. They (some) evidently believe that I looked to private providers to try to get a diagnosis for difficult child when it was just for purposes of getting him off or avoiding courts efforts-o r maybe because I am psychologocially unable to accept that difficult child really has no psychiatric diagnosis. See my family told them I was psychiatric unfit and trying to put it off on difficult child. This stuff does matter even though you think I'm dredging up the past- this is still being discussed by these people- and that is why there is a GAL on board again, in part. They KNOW I have sought out mental health treatment for difficult child- long ago and continuously since then. When he came oout of Department of Juvenile Justice with no diagnosis and removed from medications, it put more validity on the theory that maybe all the psychiatric issues really were just mine. The first thing the def attny did when difficult child was put in detention was to order a mental health evaluation on him and start looking into 1) had I been told or lead to believe thatt difficult child should be on medications and I was refusing- (that was verified and they learned that this was NOT the case), 2) was the issue my mental health- they are waiting on my evaluation to occur and yes, I took the first available appointment but it's next week, 3) review difficult child's mental health again. Their own evaluator said all she saw was CD.</p><p></p><p>When I try to remind people that coincidentally or not, difficult child has had issues and arrests every late winter/early spring, then goes 9 mos without severe issues- they all roll their eyes at me. Beyong me why if they thin I'm lieing they won't look at his file and see dates of each arrest he's ever had. </p><p></p><p>All I responded to her, def attny, and everyone else is that IF it is determined my son has a diagnosis rerquiring medications or treatment, I will most certainly get it for him as I always have. But I am not a psychiatrist, it should be reviewed by a psychiatrist, there had been uncertainty about it in the past so that is why I took difficult child to the best psychiatrists I could find in the state and had him evaluation'd and tried to push for and advocate for that. However, the latest evaluation was by the psychiatrist in Department of Juvenile Justice and he said he did not feel difficult child has BiPolar (BP) and did not give another diagnosis. PO told me yesterday that this continued behavior in difficult child is making things more obvious to others in their system. They need to review and decide if 1) they think this is normal for difficult child, 2) review if its something I'm doing to cause it, 3) why their own mental health people have said there is nothing but CD there. When it starts being obvious to the attny's and judge that this isn't normal even for CD, and I'm not certifiable, or so strict that I am driving difficult child to it, or against working on myself, and I wasn't making this stuff up just to put a diagnosis on difficult child that should really be on me- then maybe we can really get somewhere. And as they are now questioning why there MH people and Department of Juvenile Justice people say there's nothing but they are starting to see insane choices from difficult child- I mean completely irrational even for a kid with CD- then maybe it might cross someone's mind that is why I kept going out of their system to get help from other MH people. Anyway- obviously I didn't want it to pan out this way because I hoped difficult child would do well. But since it has, it appears to be making their eyes a lot more open to what they are really dealing with. And yesterday- the sd admin and resource officer told PO directly that they had to chase difficult child, havee two men hold him down, and handcuff him to get him back to school. I reminded PO that when things are like that at home, I am not physically able to restrain or overcome difficult child like that and I am not legally allowed to handcuff him to something so when people are wondering why I can't do a better job making my son comply, I hope they remember what these two men reported.</p><p></p><p>I should also point out that for a very long time, I was the only person reporting uncontrollable behavior in difficult child and since they saw none of that in Department of Juvenile Justice even after removing difficult child's medications, then I start reporting it again shortly after difficult child's return home, it probably did look questionable. Unfortunately, it apparently will take them hearing it from others that I have not sought out privately or seeing it first hand themselves. But now it will depend a lot on how much the PO relays to others and what the GAL hears from whoever he talks to at school. Oh- and none of them have been to the house since difficult child put so many holes in it 18mos ago so after they get finnished with another review of all these things it might lead to some clarification. That's my best hope at this point. I'm being agreeable and letting them sort thru it all without doing anything at all outside of their approach because I don't want it taken as not supporting their efforts again.</p><p></p><p>I'll have to say more about this tomorrow. Still, we had already tried a ton of different medications and it didn't prevent crisis in the past. So maybe they are right- maybe it is just CD or maybe it's something else but even if I could get him on a medication today, it wouldn't solve the immediate problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 359472, member: 3699"] I see where you are coming from, Marcie, but this isn't how they are looking at things. They (some) evidently believe that I looked to private providers to try to get a diagnosis for difficult child when it was just for purposes of getting him off or avoiding courts efforts-o r maybe because I am psychologocially unable to accept that difficult child really has no psychiatric diagnosis. See my family told them I was psychiatric unfit and trying to put it off on difficult child. This stuff does matter even though you think I'm dredging up the past- this is still being discussed by these people- and that is why there is a GAL on board again, in part. They KNOW I have sought out mental health treatment for difficult child- long ago and continuously since then. When he came oout of Department of Juvenile Justice with no diagnosis and removed from medications, it put more validity on the theory that maybe all the psychiatric issues really were just mine. The first thing the def attny did when difficult child was put in detention was to order a mental health evaluation on him and start looking into 1) had I been told or lead to believe thatt difficult child should be on medications and I was refusing- (that was verified and they learned that this was NOT the case), 2) was the issue my mental health- they are waiting on my evaluation to occur and yes, I took the first available appointment but it's next week, 3) review difficult child's mental health again. Their own evaluator said all she saw was CD. When I try to remind people that coincidentally or not, difficult child has had issues and arrests every late winter/early spring, then goes 9 mos without severe issues- they all roll their eyes at me. Beyong me why if they thin I'm lieing they won't look at his file and see dates of each arrest he's ever had. All I responded to her, def attny, and everyone else is that IF it is determined my son has a diagnosis rerquiring medications or treatment, I will most certainly get it for him as I always have. But I am not a psychiatrist, it should be reviewed by a psychiatrist, there had been uncertainty about it in the past so that is why I took difficult child to the best psychiatrists I could find in the state and had him evaluation'd and tried to push for and advocate for that. However, the latest evaluation was by the psychiatrist in Department of Juvenile Justice and he said he did not feel difficult child has BiPolar (BP) and did not give another diagnosis. PO told me yesterday that this continued behavior in difficult child is making things more obvious to others in their system. They need to review and decide if 1) they think this is normal for difficult child, 2) review if its something I'm doing to cause it, 3) why their own mental health people have said there is nothing but CD there. When it starts being obvious to the attny's and judge that this isn't normal even for CD, and I'm not certifiable, or so strict that I am driving difficult child to it, or against working on myself, and I wasn't making this stuff up just to put a diagnosis on difficult child that should really be on me- then maybe we can really get somewhere. And as they are now questioning why there MH people and Department of Juvenile Justice people say there's nothing but they are starting to see insane choices from difficult child- I mean completely irrational even for a kid with CD- then maybe it might cross someone's mind that is why I kept going out of their system to get help from other MH people. Anyway- obviously I didn't want it to pan out this way because I hoped difficult child would do well. But since it has, it appears to be making their eyes a lot more open to what they are really dealing with. And yesterday- the sd admin and resource officer told PO directly that they had to chase difficult child, havee two men hold him down, and handcuff him to get him back to school. I reminded PO that when things are like that at home, I am not physically able to restrain or overcome difficult child like that and I am not legally allowed to handcuff him to something so when people are wondering why I can't do a better job making my son comply, I hope they remember what these two men reported. I should also point out that for a very long time, I was the only person reporting uncontrollable behavior in difficult child and since they saw none of that in Department of Juvenile Justice even after removing difficult child's medications, then I start reporting it again shortly after difficult child's return home, it probably did look questionable. Unfortunately, it apparently will take them hearing it from others that I have not sought out privately or seeing it first hand themselves. But now it will depend a lot on how much the PO relays to others and what the GAL hears from whoever he talks to at school. Oh- and none of them have been to the house since difficult child put so many holes in it 18mos ago so after they get finnished with another review of all these things it might lead to some clarification. That's my best hope at this point. I'm being agreeable and letting them sort thru it all without doing anything at all outside of their approach because I don't want it taken as not supporting their efforts again. I'll have to say more about this tomorrow. Still, we had already tried a ton of different medications and it didn't prevent crisis in the past. So maybe they are right- maybe it is just CD or maybe it's something else but even if I could get him on a medication today, it wouldn't solve the immediate problem. [/QUOTE]
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