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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 325386" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Aninom, that was some really great description.</p><p></p><p>Whether it's compulsion or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) or facets of both, depends on how it's defined by therapists and I think a lot of it is sitll subjective. </p><p></p><p>What you actually deal with and how you deal with it, is not the same as somebody defining it. </p><p></p><p>We've just had difficult child 3's speech therapist here and she watched some early video of difficult child 3 at about 18 months. He had what his sister called "talking in scribble" which I took to be jargon speech, but the therapist just said, "there were words in there."</p><p></p><p>I'm not an expert. She is. But the practicalities of difficult child 3 at that time, were a boy who frustratingly didn't seem to respond to the spoken word (often not even responding to his name or even an instuciton such as "go to Mummy". He did have language, apparently. All this time I've been believing he did not.</p><p></p><p>But does this change anything of what we would have done?</p><p></p><p>I would have sought therapy sooner, privately, instead of allowed ourselves to be made to wait another 18 months or more for the public (and it turned out, much more inferior) therapy. But much of what we eventually did, was a combination of the circumstances we had available, our own observations, and our child's presentation. The labels are useful and can open the right doos and help change the circumstances we have available. But the home environment and your gut instincts don't change.</p><p></p><p>You've noted her anxiety level increases if you try to force her past this. That I feel puts this in the realm of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). That connection between the act and the anxiety. There needn't be an idee fixe in there, often it works the other way - completing the compulsion is a ritual, a behaviour pattern, that is 'sameness' and therefore comforting and soothing. it is, in fact, like a stimulant. Stims often work to soothe in the same sort of way.</p><p>Example - difficult child 1 pacing the house before he leaves. If he's ready ten minutes early, he doesn't leave early - no. He spends that gten minutes checking that doors are locked, that windows are closed and locked, that he has his keys, that he has his wallet. Then he goes and checks it all again. He knows he's just checked already, but he also knows that sometimes he misses things. Checking himself over and over helps reduce the anxiety he feels as he drives aay and begins to think, "Did I close that window? Do I have my wallet?" because in his mind, he knows he went over it all ten times and that reduces the chances of him having forgotten something.</p><p></p><p>So there can be many reasons for this behaviour and a younger child especially, can't always tell you why.</p><p></p><p>I posted at length on your other thread about lying and anxiety.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 325386, member: 1991"] Aninom, that was some really great description. Whether it's compulsion or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) or facets of both, depends on how it's defined by therapists and I think a lot of it is sitll subjective. What you actually deal with and how you deal with it, is not the same as somebody defining it. We've just had difficult child 3's speech therapist here and she watched some early video of difficult child 3 at about 18 months. He had what his sister called "talking in scribble" which I took to be jargon speech, but the therapist just said, "there were words in there." I'm not an expert. She is. But the practicalities of difficult child 3 at that time, were a boy who frustratingly didn't seem to respond to the spoken word (often not even responding to his name or even an instuciton such as "go to Mummy". He did have language, apparently. All this time I've been believing he did not. But does this change anything of what we would have done? I would have sought therapy sooner, privately, instead of allowed ourselves to be made to wait another 18 months or more for the public (and it turned out, much more inferior) therapy. But much of what we eventually did, was a combination of the circumstances we had available, our own observations, and our child's presentation. The labels are useful and can open the right doos and help change the circumstances we have available. But the home environment and your gut instincts don't change. You've noted her anxiety level increases if you try to force her past this. That I feel puts this in the realm of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). That connection between the act and the anxiety. There needn't be an idee fixe in there, often it works the other way - completing the compulsion is a ritual, a behaviour pattern, that is 'sameness' and therefore comforting and soothing. it is, in fact, like a stimulant. Stims often work to soothe in the same sort of way. Example - difficult child 1 pacing the house before he leaves. If he's ready ten minutes early, he doesn't leave early - no. He spends that gten minutes checking that doors are locked, that windows are closed and locked, that he has his keys, that he has his wallet. Then he goes and checks it all again. He knows he's just checked already, but he also knows that sometimes he misses things. Checking himself over and over helps reduce the anxiety he feels as he drives aay and begins to think, "Did I close that window? Do I have my wallet?" because in his mind, he knows he went over it all ten times and that reduces the chances of him having forgotten something. So there can be many reasons for this behaviour and a younger child especially, can't always tell you why. I posted at length on your other thread about lying and anxiety. Marg [/QUOTE]
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