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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 515387" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>I think you've hit the nail on the head. Here's what I'm starting to think happened- traditional therapy couldn't be measured so they started having to create "evidence based therapies" that included measurable goals. They don't work but never mind that- they got them approved based on picking control groups that were so specific and studied by their own peoople so basicly, they couldn't fail. Now, the only people certified to do any of them are the coordinators or directors of tthese programs and the people aactually delivering the services to the families are usually interns in training. (That's one reason they have to document every little thing they are doing so their super can look it over.) So for the past several years (at least) interns in the MH profession are being taught these evidenced based therapies tthat have all these rules and cookie-cutter stuff you just mentioned instead of how to do traditional therpy- which is why we can't find MH profs to do anything useful when we take our kids to a therapist. They never learned how to give any traditional therapy. I said more than once that I think they should look at the real-world statitics on success rates and use that to determine the "evidence" for keeping a "therapy" program or getting rid of it. Another thing- a "real" MH prof is not going to let a PO, sd, or anyone else tell them to work with a kid to change ABC - I mean a parent can say we need help with raging issues or whatever, but you can't hire a therapist to mold your kid into just whatever. I think POs try to tell these counselors to change ABC in Mom and change DEF in difficult child and if we don't change those, we are not compliant. I just can't see that working.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 515387, member: 3699"] I think you've hit the nail on the head. Here's what I'm starting to think happened- traditional therapy couldn't be measured so they started having to create "evidence based therapies" that included measurable goals. They don't work but never mind that- they got them approved based on picking control groups that were so specific and studied by their own peoople so basicly, they couldn't fail. Now, the only people certified to do any of them are the coordinators or directors of tthese programs and the people aactually delivering the services to the families are usually interns in training. (That's one reason they have to document every little thing they are doing so their super can look it over.) So for the past several years (at least) interns in the MH profession are being taught these evidenced based therapies tthat have all these rules and cookie-cutter stuff you just mentioned instead of how to do traditional therpy- which is why we can't find MH profs to do anything useful when we take our kids to a therapist. They never learned how to give any traditional therapy. I said more than once that I think they should look at the real-world statitics on success rates and use that to determine the "evidence" for keeping a "therapy" program or getting rid of it. Another thing- a "real" MH prof is not going to let a PO, sd, or anyone else tell them to work with a kid to change ABC - I mean a parent can say we need help with raging issues or whatever, but you can't hire a therapist to mold your kid into just whatever. I think POs try to tell these counselors to change ABC in Mom and change DEF in difficult child and if we don't change those, we are not compliant. I just can't see that working. [/QUOTE]
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