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<blockquote data-quote="buddy" data-source="post: 495283" data-attributes="member: 12886"><p>Lovelyboy, very interesting you should bring this up. I have always been trained (even before my difficult child came into my life since I have always worked iwth special needs people) in methods that first focus on de-escalating the situation and then if any restraint is needed, you are taught how to do it sitting or standing (and it takes a specifically trained kind of procedure to do what you are doing called PRONE restraint...which people have died from because in the heat of the moment it is hard to stay calm). There are tricks for biters, spitters, etc. </p><p></p><p>I recently requested an independent evaluation thru our district. The person we are considering for it is wonderful in all ways except one. She has gone to the legislature and in many cases has worked to get people to do prone restraint. she feels it is safe and needed for extreme violence ONLY if people are trained completely. Our state gave a temporary trial period and all those doing it have to be registered, part of a therapeutic program and showing what they are doing to avoid this and they must report to the state each and every time they try it. </p><p></p><p>My son was put into an illegal prone restraint when he had never needed ANY restraint by Integrated Listening Systems (ILS) workers last summer. The guy was a former cop. My son was beside himself scared adn he was hurt too. For him it is dangerous because he can head bang and he cannot have another head injury. HE got some cuts and I was there...telling the guy the whole time I was uncomfortable with it. He had his knee in his lower back and of course it only escalated teh situation. I was beside myself scared. He did it because Q refused to get out of the pool. Restraint is only to be used as you said, when there is aggression that can't be handled in any other way. for Q we are always able to talk him down, or to get him to a private spot to let him work thru it. The guy really felt bad and the sad thing was he had just finished his cpi training. He asked what he should have done and i went thru it with him. He had received a promotion at the Integrated Listening Systems (ILS) company but he took himself out of the running because he felt so awful. really except for that automatic cop mode he went into, he had been good with Q. The company had to report him to cps but nothing came of it because he did not intend to hurt anyone but was just not ready to handle the risk that something could happen which goes against a cop instinct. He finally did quit the entire company. </p><p></p><p>I personally feel that it is demoralizing to have that happen. And, for Q it means he will do things to have it happen again and again. It just gets too stuck in him then. HE has suspected ptsd from early childhood, and it seems to trigger fight or flight with his AD. There are other methods. See if you can find a place that teaches CPI (crisis prevention intervention) it teaches effective holds.</p><p></p><p>When Q was little holding time was HUGE around here. When we went to attachment therapy we did a little of that but I was not comfortable with it. When he raged I did hold him though.... and rocked or bounced him on a ball. He would rage for LONG times...hours. I just held him and he liked his palm and feet tickled so I did that when he calmed. I spent hours/days/weeks and years doing these things. </p><p></p><p>I have had times when I have had to restrain Q and it was not ideal. especially if he was already on the floor. I did use hotdog rolls (what we called it...and asked him if he wanted to roll up in a blanket...he loved that and woudl do it even when really mad and aggressive so I didn't ahve to hold him , could just monitor him and he liked me to roll a ball on him when he was wrapped up. His head was never ever covered.</p><p></p><p>I am really scared of this lady and plan to talk to her by phone before she goes to meet us at the school. If she says she is going to suggest this for my son when he has NEVER been restrained in the school.... I will ask we not use her. I will check for someone who understands brain injury better.</p><p></p><p>OK, not much help, but it is crazy someone would post when I was just talking about this today. I know what you mean... it is better to be behind, cross their arms and have them more on the side of you so you can push your hip into them.... then you can actually raise them up a little off the ground and lean back so they can't head butt you. It takes practice and if you can really find a place to learn CPI or mandt training is similar....it would be great.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buddy, post: 495283, member: 12886"] Lovelyboy, very interesting you should bring this up. I have always been trained (even before my difficult child came into my life since I have always worked iwth special needs people) in methods that first focus on de-escalating the situation and then if any restraint is needed, you are taught how to do it sitting or standing (and it takes a specifically trained kind of procedure to do what you are doing called PRONE restraint...which people have died from because in the heat of the moment it is hard to stay calm). There are tricks for biters, spitters, etc. I recently requested an independent evaluation thru our district. The person we are considering for it is wonderful in all ways except one. She has gone to the legislature and in many cases has worked to get people to do prone restraint. she feels it is safe and needed for extreme violence ONLY if people are trained completely. Our state gave a temporary trial period and all those doing it have to be registered, part of a therapeutic program and showing what they are doing to avoid this and they must report to the state each and every time they try it. My son was put into an illegal prone restraint when he had never needed ANY restraint by Integrated Listening Systems (ILS) workers last summer. The guy was a former cop. My son was beside himself scared adn he was hurt too. For him it is dangerous because he can head bang and he cannot have another head injury. HE got some cuts and I was there...telling the guy the whole time I was uncomfortable with it. He had his knee in his lower back and of course it only escalated teh situation. I was beside myself scared. He did it because Q refused to get out of the pool. Restraint is only to be used as you said, when there is aggression that can't be handled in any other way. for Q we are always able to talk him down, or to get him to a private spot to let him work thru it. The guy really felt bad and the sad thing was he had just finished his cpi training. He asked what he should have done and i went thru it with him. He had received a promotion at the Integrated Listening Systems (ILS) company but he took himself out of the running because he felt so awful. really except for that automatic cop mode he went into, he had been good with Q. The company had to report him to cps but nothing came of it because he did not intend to hurt anyone but was just not ready to handle the risk that something could happen which goes against a cop instinct. He finally did quit the entire company. I personally feel that it is demoralizing to have that happen. And, for Q it means he will do things to have it happen again and again. It just gets too stuck in him then. HE has suspected ptsd from early childhood, and it seems to trigger fight or flight with his AD. There are other methods. See if you can find a place that teaches CPI (crisis prevention intervention) it teaches effective holds. When Q was little holding time was HUGE around here. When we went to attachment therapy we did a little of that but I was not comfortable with it. When he raged I did hold him though.... and rocked or bounced him on a ball. He would rage for LONG times...hours. I just held him and he liked his palm and feet tickled so I did that when he calmed. I spent hours/days/weeks and years doing these things. I have had times when I have had to restrain Q and it was not ideal. especially if he was already on the floor. I did use hotdog rolls (what we called it...and asked him if he wanted to roll up in a blanket...he loved that and woudl do it even when really mad and aggressive so I didn't ahve to hold him , could just monitor him and he liked me to roll a ball on him when he was wrapped up. His head was never ever covered. I am really scared of this lady and plan to talk to her by phone before she goes to meet us at the school. If she says she is going to suggest this for my son when he has NEVER been restrained in the school.... I will ask we not use her. I will check for someone who understands brain injury better. OK, not much help, but it is crazy someone would post when I was just talking about this today. I know what you mean... it is better to be behind, cross their arms and have them more on the side of you so you can push your hip into them.... then you can actually raise them up a little off the ground and lean back so they can't head butt you. It takes practice and if you can really find a place to learn CPI or mandt training is similar....it would be great. [/QUOTE]
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