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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 387970" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>Susie, I couldn't help but mull over what you said in your post. I realize you were being sarcastic and Lord knows, none of us want to see Wee in Department of Juvenile Justice, but there is some truth to what you say- not about being able to get a great education there so much but because it really is so much about funding and who's enforcing sd's requirements, it really might be easier to get something accomplished in this scenario than a mainstream sd.</p><p></p><p>First, I KNOW local sd's don't want to pull from their pool of funding for kids who have atypical needs- which is why I told Shari before that I think her sd is trying to get to that county team- so they can access the bigger pool for her jursidiction. My son had a little access to that before since he was on probation however, PO stood in the way and that's why he was sent to Department of Juvenile Justice instead of Residential Treatment Center (RTC)- it got him on the state budget and out of this jurisdiction's. I have read reputable reports that now that our state had to cut some funding to local jurisdictions, they are sending kids to state Department of Juvenile Justice more to force the state to pay for them one way or another. (ie, the jurisdiction is looking at it like "if the state won't give us the funding to get what the kid needs, we'll send the kid to Department of Juvenile Justice and the state can pick up the cost that way") </p><p></p><p>As I've said before, I definitely don't think there's any chance of Wee getting committed to Department of Juvenile Justice at his age, or even being arrested and I don't think that's what his current sd is trying to do. But they are setting a path for this to occur later when he gets to middle school and that school has an issue and then reviews his file from elementary school. That happened to my son.</p><p></p><p>Getting back to funding and resources, etc- the other factor that plays into it is that the federal government holds state governments accountable for complyiong with federal law. It is up to state governments to enforce the laws with local jurisdictions. Many times local authorities know how to get around state authorities and push the limits so they aren't really being held accountable as they should. The federal government doesn't really look at what is going on in a local area unless someone brings forth a case accusing the local authorities of breaking federal law. The state agencies, on the other hand, are watched more closely I think. And they don't have much of a "buffer" between them and the federal government. Even if our state government didn't want to comply (and they say outright many times that they don't), it doesn't matter, they have to or that federal funding will be cut off to the state. That puts a lot more pressure on the state as a whole than one local jurisdiction sliding through a crack and not being in the spotlight.</p><p></p><p>On Monday, I called and left VM's to the section of DOE that accredits schools and the federal office that ensures compliance for school related funding, among others. The matter would have been "lost at sea" for a few years probably if this had happened at a local, mainstream school.</p><p></p><p>And the third thing that I think plays into it: Department of Juvenile Justice can't suspend students; students can't be truant or late or sleep, etc, yet they do get assistance thru IEPs if warranted; the student to teacher ratio is 10:1 instead of 20+:1; no homework is assigned (it would require taking materials to and from school to the living units and that's a big no-no in Department of Juvenile Justice); all school matters are handled at school- teachers nor students can get help from or put blame on anyone else (unless a legal offense occurs like a fight with a home-made weapon- and then the Department of Juvenile Justice, not sd, guard is called to remove the kid from the building but the kid will be either homeschooled in isolation or returned to school the next day or sent back to court if it's serious REALLY serious like major bodily harm was done); no bullying or clique-forming is tolerated and they all have to be treated the same. Of course they say this makes the student more responsible and accountable- yep, but it makes the school and teachers rise to the occasion too!</p><p></p><p>So unfortunately, I have to agree and tell you that my son got more education in his nine mos at the last Department of Juvenile Justice school (last year) than he had in I don't know how long and it was a darn good one. When he went back to mainstream school halfway thru the last semester, he had already learned what those kids had yet to learn in the same classes for the rest of their school year. I was told that by him, teachers, and his IEP coordinator there. The down side of course is that difficult child still has this record and will have a more difficult time being accepted into any educational institution, whether educated or not. But my son didn't change into a different person- it was the method of education that gets changed, so what does that say?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 387970, member: 3699"] Susie, I couldn't help but mull over what you said in your post. I realize you were being sarcastic and Lord knows, none of us want to see Wee in Department of Juvenile Justice, but there is some truth to what you say- not about being able to get a great education there so much but because it really is so much about funding and who's enforcing sd's requirements, it really might be easier to get something accomplished in this scenario than a mainstream sd. First, I KNOW local sd's don't want to pull from their pool of funding for kids who have atypical needs- which is why I told Shari before that I think her sd is trying to get to that county team- so they can access the bigger pool for her jursidiction. My son had a little access to that before since he was on probation however, PO stood in the way and that's why he was sent to Department of Juvenile Justice instead of Residential Treatment Center (RTC)- it got him on the state budget and out of this jurisdiction's. I have read reputable reports that now that our state had to cut some funding to local jurisdictions, they are sending kids to state Department of Juvenile Justice more to force the state to pay for them one way or another. (ie, the jurisdiction is looking at it like "if the state won't give us the funding to get what the kid needs, we'll send the kid to Department of Juvenile Justice and the state can pick up the cost that way") As I've said before, I definitely don't think there's any chance of Wee getting committed to Department of Juvenile Justice at his age, or even being arrested and I don't think that's what his current sd is trying to do. But they are setting a path for this to occur later when he gets to middle school and that school has an issue and then reviews his file from elementary school. That happened to my son. Getting back to funding and resources, etc- the other factor that plays into it is that the federal government holds state governments accountable for complyiong with federal law. It is up to state governments to enforce the laws with local jurisdictions. Many times local authorities know how to get around state authorities and push the limits so they aren't really being held accountable as they should. The federal government doesn't really look at what is going on in a local area unless someone brings forth a case accusing the local authorities of breaking federal law. The state agencies, on the other hand, are watched more closely I think. And they don't have much of a "buffer" between them and the federal government. Even if our state government didn't want to comply (and they say outright many times that they don't), it doesn't matter, they have to or that federal funding will be cut off to the state. That puts a lot more pressure on the state as a whole than one local jurisdiction sliding through a crack and not being in the spotlight. On Monday, I called and left VM's to the section of DOE that accredits schools and the federal office that ensures compliance for school related funding, among others. The matter would have been "lost at sea" for a few years probably if this had happened at a local, mainstream school. And the third thing that I think plays into it: Department of Juvenile Justice can't suspend students; students can't be truant or late or sleep, etc, yet they do get assistance thru IEPs if warranted; the student to teacher ratio is 10:1 instead of 20+:1; no homework is assigned (it would require taking materials to and from school to the living units and that's a big no-no in Department of Juvenile Justice); all school matters are handled at school- teachers nor students can get help from or put blame on anyone else (unless a legal offense occurs like a fight with a home-made weapon- and then the Department of Juvenile Justice, not sd, guard is called to remove the kid from the building but the kid will be either homeschooled in isolation or returned to school the next day or sent back to court if it's serious REALLY serious like major bodily harm was done); no bullying or clique-forming is tolerated and they all have to be treated the same. Of course they say this makes the student more responsible and accountable- yep, but it makes the school and teachers rise to the occasion too! So unfortunately, I have to agree and tell you that my son got more education in his nine mos at the last Department of Juvenile Justice school (last year) than he had in I don't know how long and it was a darn good one. When he went back to mainstream school halfway thru the last semester, he had already learned what those kids had yet to learn in the same classes for the rest of their school year. I was told that by him, teachers, and his IEP coordinator there. The down side of course is that difficult child still has this record and will have a more difficult time being accepted into any educational institution, whether educated or not. But my son didn't change into a different person- it was the method of education that gets changed, so what does that say? [/QUOTE]
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