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<blockquote data-quote="TerryJ2" data-source="post: 32226" data-attributes="member: 3419"><p><em>it was what I understood from 'shonky' real estate agents and speculators encouraging people in white communities to sell (to them, at reduced rates for a quick sale) on the FEAR (promoted by the profiteers) that values in the area would fall with influx of blacks. </em></p><p></p><p>Oh! Yes, in America it happened a lot in the 60s when people moved to the suburbs. It was called "white flight."</p><p></p><p><em>A well-dressed Aboriginal family were walking along the street - mostly kids in play clothes. My sister in law stuck her nose in the air a bit and commented, "I hope they've not moved in near us, the property values will go down."</em></p><p><em>I asked why, and was told, "People don't like living next to THEM. They're dirty, they don't look after their families, it's just not right to let them move here."</em></p><p><em>I pointed out, "They look clean, they're neat, the kids have their hair combed nicely, I can't see the problem. I went to school with Aboriginal kids, they were great."</em></p><p><em>"Look - they've got bare feet!" sister in law replied.</em></p><p><em>"So have I," I told her. "I prefer walking in bare feet."</em></p><p></p><p>Good for you! That's exactly the kinds of conversations I have had and they must continue. I am all about educating people.</p><p>However, the People-to-People group wears me out. I'd rather do it in private, spontaneously, as you did with-your sister.</p><p></p><p><em>Terry, you mentioned diseased connected with some races. The program did touch on this, at least with sickle-cell anemia. It's much more than just a disease of African black people - sickle cell is selected for in any area where malaria has been significant. They showed a case of sickle-cell anemia in a Greek child </em></p><p></p><p>I vaguely recall that now... it makes sense.</p><p></p><p><em>white flour, sugar and alcohol </em></p><p></p><p>the bane of all our existence...</p><p></p><p><em>(plus diseases that the Aboriginals didn't have immunity for)</em></p><p></p><p>Like our Native American Indians who died when Europeans introduced syphilis and smallpox.</p><p></p><p><em>Lactose intolerance - I used to believe that it was cultural, mostly. We're mammals, we're only supposed to drink milk in infancy. But when you continue to drink milk as you grow up to adulthood, you don't lose the enzymes you have in your body, to digest milk. In Western society we continue to drink milk. But if we stop drinking milk for years (or eating any form of dairy food), we often find lactose intolerance if we try to go back to dairy. </em></p><p></p><p>Yes, my husband gave it up because it aggravated his asthma. When he went back to it, he had lost the enzyme.</p><p>difficult child was intolerant from birth.</p><p>The end result is the same.</p><p></p><p><em>I'd really like to learn more about the Human Genome Project and DNA. I had always hoped that the Project would help answer questions as to where and how various groups arrived where they did in the world, but it sounds like we were all too closely related 50,000 years ago to be able to get much information that way; it would be a 'noisy' DNA signal.</em></p><p></p><p>Yes, one of the flaws is that they can't get DNA samples from everyone, and some groups no longer exist. But it's a start. One of the reasons I did it was to contribute to the available gene pool (even though my genes are some of the most common). The more people who participate, the more accurate it will be. That is one of the flaws of private companies that offer tests for more recent ancestry... their gene pools are too limited. You could pay $1,000 to find out if someone is related to you and you might find out... or you might not. Nat'l Geo rec'd a huge grant, which allowed their scientists to travel to remote areas where people have not migrated or moved for thousands, if not millions of yrs. That really helps with-accuracy.</p><p></p><p><em>But while we wait for researchers to continue poring through the piles of information, we can still enjoy the search and the snippets of information along the way. I LOVE anthropology.</em></p><p></p><p>Absolutely. I agree!</p><p><em></em></p><p><em>One last thought - many years ago at uni I had to study a 'make-weight' subject called "People and Culture". We got thoroughly indoctrinated to avoid EVER using the word "race". It was simply wrong, we were told. The concept of "race" is wrong, we refer to "culture". There is no "race", we had to accept.</em></p><p></p><p>Wow. </p><p></p><p><em>it was, of course, political correctness gone overboard.</em></p><p></p><p>That's for sure.</p><p></p><p><em>For so many years scientists tried to quantify race, to find some way to clearly and specifically define it. They have failed to do so. In the attempts, a lot of harm has been done to a lot of people through misunderstandings and misinterpretation. </em></p><p></p><p>Yes. Sigh.</p><p></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Then the pendulum swung too far the other way</em></p><p></p><p>Right.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>, to the idea of a melting pot of full cultural interchange with the potential to lead to some sort of coffee-coloured unified blandness.</em></p><p></p><p>The feel-good Age of Aquarius. :smile:</p><p></p><p><em>We now need to accept that we live in a world of amazing and wonderful variety. Cultural differences need to be valued and studied, but we are losing much of our variation as we intermingle and choose what we personally like out of the cultural smorgasbord available to us. We need to value our variety, but accept change and choice.</em></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerryJ2, post: 32226, member: 3419"] [i]it was what I understood from 'shonky' real estate agents and speculators encouraging people in white communities to sell (to them, at reduced rates for a quick sale) on the FEAR (promoted by the profiteers) that values in the area would fall with influx of blacks. [/i] Oh! Yes, in America it happened a lot in the 60s when people moved to the suburbs. It was called "white flight." [i]A well-dressed Aboriginal family were walking along the street - mostly kids in play clothes. My sister in law stuck her nose in the air a bit and commented, "I hope they've not moved in near us, the property values will go down." I asked why, and was told, "People don't like living next to THEM. They're dirty, they don't look after their families, it's just not right to let them move here." I pointed out, "They look clean, they're neat, the kids have their hair combed nicely, I can't see the problem. I went to school with Aboriginal kids, they were great." "Look - they've got bare feet!" sister in law replied. "So have I," I told her. "I prefer walking in bare feet."[/i] Good for you! That's exactly the kinds of conversations I have had and they must continue. I am all about educating people. However, the People-to-People group wears me out. I'd rather do it in private, spontaneously, as you did with-your sister. [i]Terry, you mentioned diseased connected with some races. The program did touch on this, at least with sickle-cell anemia. It's much more than just a disease of African black people - sickle cell is selected for in any area where malaria has been significant. They showed a case of sickle-cell anemia in a Greek child [/i] I vaguely recall that now... it makes sense. [i]white flour, sugar and alcohol [/i] the bane of all our existence... [i](plus diseases that the Aboriginals didn't have immunity for)[/i] Like our Native American Indians who died when Europeans introduced syphilis and smallpox. [i]Lactose intolerance - I used to believe that it was cultural, mostly. We're mammals, we're only supposed to drink milk in infancy. But when you continue to drink milk as you grow up to adulthood, you don't lose the enzymes you have in your body, to digest milk. In Western society we continue to drink milk. But if we stop drinking milk for years (or eating any form of dairy food), we often find lactose intolerance if we try to go back to dairy. [/i] Yes, my husband gave it up because it aggravated his asthma. When he went back to it, he had lost the enzyme. difficult child was intolerant from birth. The end result is the same. [i]I'd really like to learn more about the Human Genome Project and DNA. I had always hoped that the Project would help answer questions as to where and how various groups arrived where they did in the world, but it sounds like we were all too closely related 50,000 years ago to be able to get much information that way; it would be a 'noisy' DNA signal.[/i] Yes, one of the flaws is that they can't get DNA samples from everyone, and some groups no longer exist. But it's a start. One of the reasons I did it was to contribute to the available gene pool (even though my genes are some of the most common). The more people who participate, the more accurate it will be. That is one of the flaws of private companies that offer tests for more recent ancestry... their gene pools are too limited. You could pay $1,000 to find out if someone is related to you and you might find out... or you might not. Nat'l Geo rec'd a huge grant, which allowed their scientists to travel to remote areas where people have not migrated or moved for thousands, if not millions of yrs. That really helps with-accuracy. [i]But while we wait for researchers to continue poring through the piles of information, we can still enjoy the search and the snippets of information along the way. I LOVE anthropology.[/i] Absolutely. I agree! [i] One last thought - many years ago at uni I had to study a 'make-weight' subject called "People and Culture". We got thoroughly indoctrinated to avoid EVER using the word "race". It was simply wrong, we were told. The concept of "race" is wrong, we refer to "culture". There is no "race", we had to accept.[/i] Wow. [i]it was, of course, political correctness gone overboard.[/i] That's for sure. [i]For so many years scientists tried to quantify race, to find some way to clearly and specifically define it. They have failed to do so. In the attempts, a lot of harm has been done to a lot of people through misunderstandings and misinterpretation. [/i] Yes. Sigh. [i] Then the pendulum swung too far the other way[/i] Right. [i], to the idea of a melting pot of full cultural interchange with the potential to lead to some sort of coffee-coloured unified blandness.[/i] The feel-good Age of Aquarius. [img]:smile:[/img] [i]We now need to accept that we live in a world of amazing and wonderful variety. Cultural differences need to be valued and studied, but we are losing much of our variation as we intermingle and choose what we personally like out of the cultural smorgasbord available to us. We need to value our variety, but accept change and choice.[/i] Yes. [/QUOTE]
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