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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 435030" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>I've got to agree with Jo.</p><p></p><p>This kid may or may not be a difficult child. I'm not so sure that was the point of this article. I think the point was that teachers are barely able to maintain control in their classrooms given current conditions/restrictions on how they're allowed to handle situations.</p><p></p><p>Backed into a corner after being chest bumped? I'd have laid the kid out myself, student or stranger. Everyone has a right to self defense, and that includes teachers. In that instance it no longer matters if a student is a difficult child or not. Chest bumping is a physical threat of violence, in my opinion teacher acted appropriately. If the child had been younger, I doubt her reaction would have been the same as her options would have been different. </p><p></p><p>I've seen more than my fair share of typical teen's do this with authority figures, especially teachers, simply because they've figured out they can basically get away with it. If teacher does anything to protect themselves they're nearly always fired.</p><p></p><p>And I've seen this type of situation turn mighty ugly mighty fast.</p><p></p><p>We had a group of students physically attack and nearly kill a teacher back when I was in HS simply because the worst that would happen is expulsion and maybe some time in JDC. Instead their attack was unprovoked and so vicious.....court tried them as adults and they went to prison. It took other students to nail them on the crime as well.</p><p></p><p>Here when the kids were in school we had several students threaten to murder the family of one of the teachers because they were failing his class. They went so far as to stalk him and his family. When he pressed charges.......he suddenly found he no longer had a job. Seriously? And these kids were no difficult children, just TTs who have learned to work the system in their favor. They didn't even get into trouble.</p><p></p><p>Here there is no such thing as Special Education. All special needs kids are integrated, whether able to function in a mainstream classroom or not. Even alex was in a mainstream classroom.....although in gradeschool they have Special Education teachers in each grade that handle the IEP students. One per grade, and class is still integrated. That is a setting for trouble. But we've become far too worried over "self esteem" to admit it is a set up for major trouble.</p><p></p><p>Certainly children in schools should not be abused, regardless of whether they are difficult children or pcs. But we also have to be wary that we're not so into protecting the students due to fears of lawsuits of parents, that we fail to protect teachers in the process and allow them at the very least self defense. </p><p></p><p>Travis was severely abused by a teacher. So I've been on both sides of this fence. </p><p></p><p>That this same teacher was voted Teacher of the Year says a ton. </p><p></p><p>A totally wrong message is being sent to her attacker.......and to the rest of the students. ugh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 435030, member: 84"] I've got to agree with Jo. This kid may or may not be a difficult child. I'm not so sure that was the point of this article. I think the point was that teachers are barely able to maintain control in their classrooms given current conditions/restrictions on how they're allowed to handle situations. Backed into a corner after being chest bumped? I'd have laid the kid out myself, student or stranger. Everyone has a right to self defense, and that includes teachers. In that instance it no longer matters if a student is a difficult child or not. Chest bumping is a physical threat of violence, in my opinion teacher acted appropriately. If the child had been younger, I doubt her reaction would have been the same as her options would have been different. I've seen more than my fair share of typical teen's do this with authority figures, especially teachers, simply because they've figured out they can basically get away with it. If teacher does anything to protect themselves they're nearly always fired. And I've seen this type of situation turn mighty ugly mighty fast. We had a group of students physically attack and nearly kill a teacher back when I was in HS simply because the worst that would happen is expulsion and maybe some time in JDC. Instead their attack was unprovoked and so vicious.....court tried them as adults and they went to prison. It took other students to nail them on the crime as well. Here when the kids were in school we had several students threaten to murder the family of one of the teachers because they were failing his class. They went so far as to stalk him and his family. When he pressed charges.......he suddenly found he no longer had a job. Seriously? And these kids were no difficult children, just TTs who have learned to work the system in their favor. They didn't even get into trouble. Here there is no such thing as Special Education. All special needs kids are integrated, whether able to function in a mainstream classroom or not. Even alex was in a mainstream classroom.....although in gradeschool they have Special Education teachers in each grade that handle the IEP students. One per grade, and class is still integrated. That is a setting for trouble. But we've become far too worried over "self esteem" to admit it is a set up for major trouble. Certainly children in schools should not be abused, regardless of whether they are difficult children or pcs. But we also have to be wary that we're not so into protecting the students due to fears of lawsuits of parents, that we fail to protect teachers in the process and allow them at the very least self defense. Travis was severely abused by a teacher. So I've been on both sides of this fence. That this same teacher was voted Teacher of the Year says a ton. A totally wrong message is being sent to her attacker.......and to the rest of the students. ugh [/QUOTE]
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