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<blockquote data-quote="InsaneCdn" data-source="post: 435080" data-attributes="member: 11791"><p>Re: teacher and martial arts... you have to understand that this was CANADA (a whole different culture), and over 30 years ago (that's at least 3 worlds away from school today). We didn't have then what we now call "gangs". There were no guns or knives in school, no cell phones for communication (or to record events) - by definition, the teacher was right unless proven otherwise (e.g. sexual abuse, or a history of physical abuse but it had to be repetitive) and this was accepted in the general community, not just in the school system - it was a totally different world. And it wasn't high school - more like grade 8 - but the kid was over 6 ft and 150+ lbs... </p><p> </p><p>But the point was - the way the teacher behaves, affects how far the students push. If you're a wee thing and come across weak and tentative, you might as well have a sign on your back that says "attack me". </p><p> </p><p>I didn't notice until I re-read the articles and thread... but this was ART class. in my humble opinion - that may well be 90% of the problem. There is some mantra in the education world right now that believes that it is essential for every single student to participate in ART. Now, I'm not anti-arts. But for some students, this class may well be the absolutely worst possible scenario... they have to be creative, and they have to have good fine motor skills to make anything happen. These kids have been on the receiving end of bullying most of their lives, and the anger and ODD behavior and other problems come out of that - they get so tired of being on the receiving end that they go on the offensive - long before they get to high school.</p><p> </p><p>Some of these art teachers really push "final product" - as in "do it my way, it will work, and you get a good mark - do it your way, well... you have to do really really good to get a good mark because you didn't do it my way, but I might concede... do poorly, and you get crushed". This is the end of the term - major burnout on all fronts. Major teacher pride on the line - "look what my students did this year". Clash of what??? <sigh> It was an art teacher that almost killed our difficult child - not physically, but emotionally - almost drove him over the edge. We're still trying to recover 3 years later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="InsaneCdn, post: 435080, member: 11791"] Re: teacher and martial arts... you have to understand that this was CANADA (a whole different culture), and over 30 years ago (that's at least 3 worlds away from school today). We didn't have then what we now call "gangs". There were no guns or knives in school, no cell phones for communication (or to record events) - by definition, the teacher was right unless proven otherwise (e.g. sexual abuse, or a history of physical abuse but it had to be repetitive) and this was accepted in the general community, not just in the school system - it was a totally different world. And it wasn't high school - more like grade 8 - but the kid was over 6 ft and 150+ lbs... But the point was - the way the teacher behaves, affects how far the students push. If you're a wee thing and come across weak and tentative, you might as well have a sign on your back that says "attack me". I didn't notice until I re-read the articles and thread... but this was ART class. in my humble opinion - that may well be 90% of the problem. There is some mantra in the education world right now that believes that it is essential for every single student to participate in ART. Now, I'm not anti-arts. But for some students, this class may well be the absolutely worst possible scenario... they have to be creative, and they have to have good fine motor skills to make anything happen. These kids have been on the receiving end of bullying most of their lives, and the anger and ODD behavior and other problems come out of that - they get so tired of being on the receiving end that they go on the offensive - long before they get to high school. Some of these art teachers really push "final product" - as in "do it my way, it will work, and you get a good mark - do it your way, well... you have to do really really good to get a good mark because you didn't do it my way, but I might concede... do poorly, and you get crushed". This is the end of the term - major burnout on all fronts. Major teacher pride on the line - "look what my students did this year". Clash of what??? <sigh> It was an art teacher that almost killed our difficult child - not physically, but emotionally - almost drove him over the edge. We're still trying to recover 3 years later. [/QUOTE]
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