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<blockquote data-quote="keista" data-source="post: 428518" data-attributes="member: 11965"><p>My first thought was stimming as well.</p><p></p><p>You've repeatedly said that he lies about everything, and from your perspective it is probably true. I'm curious as to the nature of the lies. Stoic "lies"- It doesn't hurt, no, that doesn't bother me - are in my opinion an Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) trait. Forgetful "lies" - I forgot to hand it in (he was holding it but put it in the trash or somewhere else instead), I forgot to bring my books, pencil, paper, etc, I don't know why I did/n't do it - are in my opinion Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) and ADD traits. If the lies are elaborate - Did you take the cookie? No sister took it and put in in her pockets and ate them in her room. (when the crumbs are clearly on his hands and around his mouth) - then in my opinion Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) goes right out the window and you are dealing with mood/personality disorder.</p><p></p><p>My son has AS and has always stimmed/mimmicked. In about 6th grade he started making this noise that we dubbed the "dying coyote" Fortunately he didn't do it in school very often, but at home it was almost constant, and Holy Hell nerve wracking. I discussed with him that I understood why he was doing it but he just simply was not alowed to drive the family nuts. He tried to stop, but unsuccessfully, so we went into "aversion therapy" Every time he made the "dying coyote" sound we would go "BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!" By we, I mean me, my then house mate, and his younger sisters - whoever was around. Once we started doing that, he came to realise how often he was actually doing it, and how annoying it was. He started to slow down the frequency. Once the frequency was really low 3-4 per evening, we'd allow him one "free" sound but if he repeated it immediately, then we would "BLAH" him. Eventually, he stopped making the noise, but took to swallowing air and belching - this was a much more quiet behavior but not necessarily good since chronically swallowing air and belching could mess up your gastro systems - but I allowed it and eventually that stopped as well as he got older. He's now 15 finishing the 9th grade. He's gone through several different stims, and every time there is a new one we discuss the social acceptance of that particular stimulant and help him find a "public" and "private" stimulant that works for him at that time.</p><p></p><p>CAUTION. I am not recommending you try my version of "aversion therapy" with your 8yo without professional guidance. It worked for my son because he was already older, always was mature for his age, understood what and why he was doing, and is on mild end of AS. My story is just to show that these behaviors can be changed when they need to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keista, post: 428518, member: 11965"] My first thought was stimming as well. You've repeatedly said that he lies about everything, and from your perspective it is probably true. I'm curious as to the nature of the lies. Stoic "lies"- It doesn't hurt, no, that doesn't bother me - are in my opinion an Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) trait. Forgetful "lies" - I forgot to hand it in (he was holding it but put it in the trash or somewhere else instead), I forgot to bring my books, pencil, paper, etc, I don't know why I did/n't do it - are in my opinion Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) and ADD traits. If the lies are elaborate - Did you take the cookie? No sister took it and put in in her pockets and ate them in her room. (when the crumbs are clearly on his hands and around his mouth) - then in my opinion Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) goes right out the window and you are dealing with mood/personality disorder. My son has AS and has always stimmed/mimmicked. In about 6th grade he started making this noise that we dubbed the "dying coyote" Fortunately he didn't do it in school very often, but at home it was almost constant, and Holy Hell nerve wracking. I discussed with him that I understood why he was doing it but he just simply was not alowed to drive the family nuts. He tried to stop, but unsuccessfully, so we went into "aversion therapy" Every time he made the "dying coyote" sound we would go "BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!" By we, I mean me, my then house mate, and his younger sisters - whoever was around. Once we started doing that, he came to realise how often he was actually doing it, and how annoying it was. He started to slow down the frequency. Once the frequency was really low 3-4 per evening, we'd allow him one "free" sound but if he repeated it immediately, then we would "BLAH" him. Eventually, he stopped making the noise, but took to swallowing air and belching - this was a much more quiet behavior but not necessarily good since chronically swallowing air and belching could mess up your gastro systems - but I allowed it and eventually that stopped as well as he got older. He's now 15 finishing the 9th grade. He's gone through several different stims, and every time there is a new one we discuss the social acceptance of that particular stimulant and help him find a "public" and "private" stimulant that works for him at that time. CAUTION. I am not recommending you try my version of "aversion therapy" with your 8yo without professional guidance. It worked for my son because he was already older, always was mature for his age, understood what and why he was doing, and is on mild end of AS. My story is just to show that these behaviors can be changed when they need to be. [/QUOTE]
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